Sideline coaching and signalling.

[gaff]

i know that this question i wish to make is ever so slightly off topic but here goes anyway........

what do you guys think about crowds assisting marshalls with cheating players? for instance i was watching a game in Dam where we played a team (name held on purpose) and a direct hit on his hopper was seen by 30-40 spectators, because it was my team that were playing i did not say anything cos i did not want to get 1-4-1. but another spectator shouted to the marshall. he then investigated the matter and eliminated the said player. from the players movement and subsequent hiding behind his bunker with his back to the marshall it was very clear he was tryng to wipe the hit!!!

so what do you think, should this guy have said anything? should the cheat have been 1-4-1 because he was caught (he wasnt)? or is what happened acceptable?

 

[raehl]

True...

After years of 5-man, if it's not my teammates or my opponents on the field, it's not there. I've got more important stuff to do than worry about spectators, so even if one was screaming at me I probably wouldn't notice.

Actually makes playing X Ball a bit of a pain - it's not as easy as you'd think to switch your brain to accepting commands from someone on the sideline when you're playing.


As for "helping" the refs - I dunno. On the one hand, I hate cheaters, on the other hand, you open the door to spectators distracting refs, sending them where they don't need to go, and otherwise maliciously interfering with the game.


- Chris

 

[TJ Lambini]

>>>After years of 5-man, if it's not my teammates or my opponents on the field, it's not there.

And as you play for NCPA, your team-mates ain't on the field 30 seconds into tha game either...

 

[gaff]

True...

Originally posted by raehl


As for "helping" the refs - I dunno. On the one hand, I hate cheaters, on the other hand, you open the door to spectators distracting refs, sending them where they don't need to go, and otherwise maliciously interfering with the game.


- Chris

i'm with you chris, but i realy hate cheats!!!!!!!!!

and it was good to see the CHEAT taken out of the game, it would have been even better if he had been 1-4-1 as well!

 

[raehl]

Which just makes my job that much easier.

Actually, I expect the team for Chicago Open to do fairly well, as it's a 5-man each from UofIllinois and IlState, our top two teams. Purdue (#3) is also putting in a whole X Ball squad on their own.

One eighth of Division II will be us, heh.

- Chris

 

[Alex Hicks.]

As a judge I would not consider anything said by spectors during the game.
Numerous times spectators do call judges to make checks and often to distract them off there own players or away from themselves to talk to players. If the judges are doing their job properly then the hit will be picked up on eventually (or preferably straight away) and if in an obvious place the player be 1 4 1'd however if you start running around to do checks for spectators then will not be covering the zone you are required to marshal and may end up missing a hit whilst distracted. Or worse allow a player to cheat whilst distracted by his team mate (spectator). A spectator may think he's better than the judge and the judge is crap for missing a hit but how many of these spectators have actually judged themselves and how many of them have missed a hit without realising it when judging themselves. It's often people who bitch about the judges who make poor judges themselves.

 

[Wadidiz]

We who judge can't look at every angle all at the same time. We miss some hits. That's why having all the refs standing in optimum positions is helpful but some hits are still going to be missed. I have been directed from the sidelines to hits that might have been otherwise overlooked (for a while). Sometimes it has been by people who knew my name, sometimes not. A good ref will use discernment to judge whether or not to follow up on sideline information. To ignore such information all the time would be like trying to prove to the sideline that, "By God, I'm not going to be directed by them!"

If I hear that a player is hit on the inside of one of his feet, am I going to NOT look there?

Steve

 

[raehl]

That I agree with.

But even in that case, one spectator is all you really need - in which case it comes down to which teams are able to bring girlfriends.

- Chris

 

[gaff]

i agree with Nick, Saturday morning when we played you guys, if all the scandinavian supporters wished to watch and coach (cos you guys had alot of support! which is great to see by the way!) we would have been totally bolaxed!

with regards to the incident i described earlier, i think the reason i felt that the guys call to the judge was justified, was because the said player knew he had a hit and turned his back on the judge and began wiping. if the call had not been done he would have got away with it - cheating *******o!! i think one of the guys next to me who saw it as well was one of your guests from Strange! he had a similiar oppinion to me

 

[teoFAD]

Two issues come in my mind:

1st. Imagine a team playing at it's homebase, if a lot of the spectators are locals, and have the ability scream out possitions this will be a great disadvantage....This can be exemplified in HB , imagine all the california kids screaming ton ton possitions in favor of dynasty. Not only ton tons won't be able to communicate due to the external noise, and dynasty will have the ability to play with "closed eyes"

2nd In situations, like one mentioned, someone reaches the snake unspotted or imagine, a final one on one situation, were heavy snapshooting is going on, and someone has to refill....

Puting active spectators into the game, will give a lot of fun to new to the sport people, and certainly to the existing one. However the whole fun of the game is the hide and seek, bunkering a guy and not knowing what has hit him,

The best imo is to wait till paintball becomes more and more mainstream so to avoid any unfair use of the crowd