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Sideline coaching and signalling.

Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
Okay, so we know that sideline coaching and signalling is what makes X-ball fun for the crowds. My mind flashes back to the Sweden - Denmark game in Amsterdam, where someone, not saying any names (Ed), did a perfect imitation of the horn that's supposed to start the games. After the game one of the Lundquist boys came over to him to cuss him out, but he was shoo'd off by the audience. The funny thing is that the only team to get into trouble because of it (twice!) was Denmark, and they all seemed to think it was a hoot! Particularly Soren, of Ducklings fame, made a point of coming over to the guy and complimenting him on how good an impression of the horn it was, and that he thought it was hilarious.

Okay, so we've established that crowd participation in X-ball is fun. And I personally think that without it X-ball has about as much chance of drawing crowds as a picture of Robbo at a lesbian's conference.
Yet in regular paintball, sideline coaching is still VERY MUCH against the rules. Teams have been warned, and indeed have had players removed in the past, just because the spectators may have said one or two things.
Now what I would like to know is why do some teams actually bring someone with them to engage in this nefarious activity? Why does a team "employ" a guy to point out the opposition? Why does a team choose to come up with a list of handsignals to be able to communicate with a person on the sidelines? In order to be able to work with these signals, these people must have trained on it as well. In other words, they have actively trained on cheating! To me a team like this is not above wiping, playing on, and kicking puppy dogs.
Don't think this is just some random rant that I just felt like spewing forth, it's something that's happening now, and not per se in the pros!

So let's hear what you guys have to say about sideline coaching in regular format paintball. Good or bad?
 

Tom Tom

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Its a tricky argument, First I want to say I can't stand cheating. With that out the way I have a view on an external coach, crowd etc.

Ok its slightly different but imagine trying to tell a football, rugby crowd to be quite when there team is playing.

It just won't happen. I know that this is different because the players are hidden but if it was happening in X-ball and we got good crowd response and the coachs can work on on-field tactics as a game is played out, then why not in normal ball.

It would breed a need for a manager to watch your game and develop tactics etc and if both teams are doing it , it is not cheating as no one person has an advantage over another (the simple definition of cheating)

I think it should be something that is not frowned upon but embraced to a certain degree for 2 reasons.

1) Development of the game, giving it a new depth or direction towards crowd involved tourneys

2) One less thing for a marshall and judge to worry about.

Dont know if you agree?
 

MrPink

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If Sideline coaching was allowed, I think everyone's game would adapt.
For example, now if a player makes a move unseen and someone shouts out his position, then his move has been ruined.
If Sideline coaching was allowed, then there would be more voices shouting, so the information might not get through, and even if it did, the opposition would not necessarily listen because of the other voices shouting information.

It's happening now anyway, so why limit it to those teams prepared to cheat?
 
Good question...

... but it also brings up another one.

If coaching, yelling, fan participation etc is allowed in X-Ball, why not communication devices?

It is a pain in the ass to hear anything with everyone shouting - this takes away from the team aspect of paintball (being able to actually hear your teammates). Why not let X-teams use radios sothey can get some kind of control back??

Just a thought,

goose


P.S. on the original question I think sideline coaching for normal 7-man should not be allowed - too much noise makes it impossible to behave as a team (see above)
 

Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
Okay, let's bring it down to a more basic level.
I'm not talking about the future, or how things should be. I'm talking about now. I know that it's impossible to keep all the crowds quiet, and I don't think we should want to do that anyway. There's no harm in cheering for a good move. But how do you feel about teams that bring a person with them to a tourney TODAY (with the rules as they are now), and all this guy does is walk around on the opponents side of the field, pointing out players and communicating with the players, almost X-ball style...
 
>>>There's no harm in cheering for a good move. But how do you feel about teams that bring a person with them to a tourney TODAY (with the rules as they are now), and all this guy does is walk around on the opponents side of the field, pointing out players and communicating with the players, almost X-ball style...

Y'all are talking about this like it's a fact at your events - if it is, why did no-one pick tha guy up by his ears and take him to tha ultimate? Why was the team(s) involved not banned from tha event? What does tha EPA say about this?