I personally think ramping should be banned from all events, i am gonna ban it at my event and prove it can be done & policed in a way that makes the penalties outway the benefits. Do you think the Millenium should do the same?
Should Millenium Ban Ramping?
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Prove what can be done? That you can write definitive rules governing semi-auto only and then effectively enforce them?
Good luck with that. If you can I suspect more than a few peeps would be very happy. Perhaps you could start by giving us your definition of semi auto.
Good luck with that. If you can I suspect more than a few peeps would be very happy. Perhaps you could start by giving us your definition of semi auto.
i doubt many people could pull more than 12 in true semi
some people think their timmies are true semi
omg
suckers
some people think their timmies are true semi
omg
suckers
I'd prefer to see the game without ramping, but only if there is an adequate way to enforce semi-only. Compared to the state of the last couple of years, I've preferred 15bps ramping this year because it reduces the technical advantage of teams with cheaty guns. As soon as someone shows us a reliable method to stop the gun cheats at semi-only tournaments, I'm there!
This thread was/is more intended on finding out weather the players/teams actually like ramping or not, i have not met many that do & i am trying to find out for curiosity & becouse i am an event organiser. Personally i hate ramping but if the players want it i will let it go at my event, if they dont we will ban it.Originally posted by Baca Loco
Prove what can be done? That you can write definitive rules governing semi-auto only and then effectively enforce them?
Good luck with that. If you can I suspect more than a few peeps would be very happy. Perhaps you could start by giving us your definition of semi auto.
You ask how to police Ramping i say easy put a very experienced head as Ultimate on each field & also pay your Marshals (using teams is old fashioned, ridiculous & cheap)! & anyone found with a ramping gun will get there whole team banned for 3 years. I think if you make the fine stupidly high then it massively reduces the temptation of trying it in the first place.
For instance if you make a maximum penalty of say 3 months in prison for robbing a bank then show me the nearest bank every time im skint, on the other hand if you make the penalty castration then i ain't even looking at a bank let alone robbing it!
There will always be people that will rob banks (cheat) but its reduced to a minimum because most people like their nuts....you get my drift? Now i am not saying this will stop every person cheating but in my opinion it will stop 99% & i feel its better to try & catch the few than to say sod it let everyone cheat.
Can you really say that you would personally risk getting your whole team banned for that long from Millennium or NPPL, i admit i have a much lower level of teams in general that are much less likely to cheat than in most Millenniums or NPPL & that alone will make it much easier for me but dont forget i work on about 1/10 of the budget.
Only my opinion & dont flame my Grammer im very busy.
Making the penalty really high isn't as much of a deterrent as you might think. One difference between ramping and bank robbing is that banks make it difficult to actually rob one nowadays. Bank robbing is a high risk/low reward crime.
Ramping markers, on the other hand, are easy to acquire, easy to get away with and easy to lie about. A lot of players with blatant cheater guns insist they're completely legal. The NPPL tried this last year (full team suspension), but the number of cheating markers didn't really decrease much. Players see the risk/reward of a ramping marker as acceptable. And deniable, if they get caught
If you're going to depend on the marshalls to make these calls:
- make sure they know markers inside and out
- Make sure you have enough of them to cover the field AND watch markers at the same time
- make sure they know the difference between bounce and ramping software
- make sure you're prepared for the arguments that will occur when a suspended player/team screams bloody murder about the referees decision and how the referees are out to get them/stupid/incompetent/lying and the player is innocent/made a little mistake/just got the gun and didn't realize/blahblahblah.
- make sure you're prepared to back up the referees decisions in the face of the players arguements, because the first time you overturn a ban you can probably forget about them checking more guns.
I'm not trying to be negative, just pointing out that it's not as simple as you may think. Being able to tell the difference between bounce and ramp at high rates of fire is tough, as is knowing how the cheats work (if you don't know the difference between pulling a trigger and slapping a trigger, you're not going to catch many rampers)
Ramping markers, on the other hand, are easy to acquire, easy to get away with and easy to lie about. A lot of players with blatant cheater guns insist they're completely legal.
The NPPL tried this last year (full team suspension), but the number of cheating markers didn't really decrease much. Players see the risk/reward of a ramping marker as acceptable. And deniable, if they get caught If you're going to depend on the marshalls to make these calls:
- make sure they know markers inside and out
- Make sure you have enough of them to cover the field AND watch markers at the same time
- make sure they know the difference between bounce and ramping software
- make sure you're prepared for the arguments that will occur when a suspended player/team screams bloody murder about the referees decision and how the referees are out to get them/stupid/incompetent/lying and the player is innocent/made a little mistake/just got the gun and didn't realize/blahblahblah.
- make sure you're prepared to back up the referees decisions in the face of the players arguements, because the first time you overturn a ban you can probably forget about them checking more guns.
I'm not trying to be negative, just pointing out that it's not as simple as you may think. Being able to tell the difference between bounce and ramp at high rates of fire is tough, as is knowing how the cheats work (if you don't know the difference between pulling a trigger and slapping a trigger, you're not going to catch many rampers)