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Sergei Leontiev : The Russian Legion Response

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Re: Re: I should have been a lawyer... This is gonna get long

Originally posted by manike
Real responsible and mature addition to the thread there Pete. It dissapoints me from someone who IS a professional journalist and supposed to be in a position of responsibility.
I've always found that when argueing with kids or idiots your case is proved when they start with personal insults or could no longer come up with valid posts and just had to post crap.
manike
Well Manike, as you well know, I am no kid and definitely no idiot, so there must be another explanation mustn't there ?

And that other explanation is, you bore me !!

I could easily go back over that reply of yours and counter everything you say, I just can't be bothered with you, people who read your post and know you, will make their own mind up accordingly, I don't have to do any more hence my yawn!!!

Don't make the mistake of confusing a non-reply with idiocy or childishness or even implying as much.
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Originally posted by canpap
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who gives a s**t anyway??

Well you obviously did, you just replied to it !!!!!!
 

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Originally posted by canpap
well congratulations, you have managed to create the worlds THINNEST arguement...
cheers!!
I think you are confusing the word 'thin' with 'concise' !!!

The size of the reply has nothing to do with its validity, unless of course you think different ?

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I know you aren't an idiot or a kid

Originally posted by Robbo
I could easily go back over that reply of yours and counter everything you say,
Pete if it was that easy you would do it. We all know you hate to lose a debate and I guess that was your only way out of this thread.

If you have valid counter points please make them. This IS an important issue. There is an important issue here regardless of wether it was your favourite team or any other. It's one I see being pushed again in the future...

Maybe we should discuss this but not in relation to RL? I do think players need to know more about their equipment and what is allowable just so that they don't make similar mistakes accidently or not.

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nope did not mean that....

I meant it was hollow but anyway, sorry about my english it is not my native language so it is not that good.

I am tired of this thread, we are not getting anywhere, you say things I say things, you call me catcrap I call you robbollocks!!!

you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe... I will not leave my ground...

you call me John and I call you Pete and we have a deal... (or canpap vs robbo )

allright??
 

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I know you aren't an idiot or a kid

Originally posted by manike

Pete if it was that easy you would do it. We all know you hate to lose a debate and I guess that was your only way out of this thread.
Maybe we should discuss this but not in relation to RL? I do think players need to know more about their equipment and what is allowable just so that they don't make similar mistakes accidently or not.
manike

If you honestly think my dislike of losing a debate is the reason I didn't bother to go thru your reply, then you are 100 % incorrect, I just said I couldn't be bothered with you, there is a difference.
I don't need to find a way to 'get out' of this debate as your replies are self-evidentially contradictory in one sense, in others, ill-informed.
Now you may want to take this debate outside of the remit of the RL, but I remind you, it was your initial post that accused them directly of cheating intentionally which you have now admitted was premature and wrong.
No, you talk all you want outside of the RL, I am here to defend the name of a team who are for all intents and purposes, universally recognised as the fairest team in the world.
Over the past few years I have become good friends with Sergei, I respect everything he has done and tries to do in paintball and when you and Catnap attack his team by accusing them of cheating, then I will defend him and the rest of his team, it's as easy as that !!!
The pair of you would maybe do the same for your friends, but that’s the way it is for me !
What you both implied, was premature and insulting, perhaps my reaction is sometimes unprofessional, that I know, but I gave the RL the benefit of the doubt and not just because of my relationship with Sergei; you two were indulging yourself in conjecture and what I viewed as a wholly unjust attack on a team who have done nothing but good for this game of ours.
The whole crux of this debacle is whether or not the RL should have replaced their guns, Sergei, revealed to me that at no time did he think any of his team’s guns were affected in Portugal till they were found to be defective.
He had heard there were problems on some other team’s guns with similar mods but never thought it to be a generic one, only with hindsight (which makes us all wise) did he realise there was this generic problem.
The RL, did what any other team would do in their position without a valid clarification of a problem, their guns had not malfunctioned up until then, so there was no reason to assume their guns were affected, so they played with them, there is absolutely nothing unreasonable in that!!
And yet you judged them on the basis of what?
Certainly not their history or achievements or behaviour.
Now, if both of you guys had waited or researched the problem a bit better then you would have been better informed and would consequently been unable to level those type accusations, but once the dye is cast, it is difficult to undo the harm you have caused them.
I think an apology to Sergei and the rest of the guys would be appropriate don’t you ?
 

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Originally posted by canpap
nope did not mean that....
I meant it was hollow but anyway, sorry about my english it is not my native language so it is not that good.
I am tired of this thread, we are not getting anywhere, you say things I say things, you call me catcrap I call you robbollocks!!!
you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe... I will not leave my ground...
you call me John and I call you Pete and we have a deal... (or canpap vs robbo )
allright??

John,
If I call a good friend of yours a cheat (who you firmly believe is not cheating and never has done) then your response would be no different from mine !!!
For the sake of my blood pressure and for Anglo / Turkish realations, I will sign off as ......
Pete
 

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Pete the points which I jumped on were to do with YOUR saying they did not cheat, which neither you nor I can still say for certain, it's just not possible to do so.

I'm happy to believe they did not necessarily cheat on purpose (I'm not convinced though) but I still think your original statement to be incorrect.

And the second point I jumped on is that YOU stated as fact that they did not have FA guns which I think I have proven they did.

And YOUR saying that they did not know it was happening, which may have been the case or may not (it's dubious in my mind), is an issue and in my opinion never completely solveable.

I think this debate has maybe been more about you than the actual RL. As Baco Loco said before maybe you shouldn't always hold them on a pedestal and be so offended when they fall that you feel you have to support them.

I still find it hard for anyone to not realise it was happening until the moment a chrono judge took their guns to check them. As I mentioned before I saw their guns and was concerned about them before the game where the players were banned.

They did themselves no harm other than what was caused at Portugal by the guns they themselves used.

In fact I think they played admirably considering the issue and if you see what I wrote on Warpig you will see that I said that. If any more harm has come it's because of YOU stating things that were not fact or not true as if they were. I felt those points needed correcting and that's what has led to this stubborn continued debate.

I'm sorry that this debate may have caused them more harm. (I doubt it has and I don't think we should over (or under) estimate the power of this board.

I think if you had accepted the situation as admirably as the RL did then this wouldn't have occured here.

I've researched this and read what has been posted here and nothing has come to light to change the basic issue (I've certainly not admitted to being wrong? I've only showed evidence for your description of FA to be wrong), maybe some mitigating circumstances have come up but they are all conjecture and not proveable. Nobodies intentions are proveable. The only facts that were proved is that RL played with FA guns and they took the penalty for it. I judged them on the basis of the facts available, from talking to people involved, common sense and experience of paintball technology. You only judged them based on a friendship?

I don't think an apology is required from anyone apart from yourself for making incorrect statements and confusing opinion with fact. I for my part am sorry for being part of anything which reflects badly on paintball, but if these issues are not solved or discussed it could be worse for us all.

I also think they are the fairest pro team in paintball. I think they made a big mistake here, got caught and paid the price. Fair enough. I think even with this they are the fairest and will continue to be the fairest pro team in paintball.

manike