Robbo

[Piper]

What have I done?

Pete, TJ

Guys calm down, pete that vein in your neck is sticking out and you have that look of you are going to get on a plane and look for TJ. He is not worth it!

Remember this is his opinion and maybe to a point he is right. The Turks were and excellent team always good to play against and a nice bunch of guys as well!

The Russians are very good (although last few outings not so good).

TurksvRussians would be interesting on Sup air yes the russians but in the woods The Turks would have them.

Just my opinion

And Calm down Pete !!!!!


Peace

Piper

Charlie The Turks were 1 of the best teams around maybe 6 years ago, they where the cleanest team going and a good bunch of guys!

 

[Robbo]

What have I done?

Originally posted by Andy Piper
Pete, TJ
Guys calm down, pete that vein in your neck is sticking out and you have that look of you are going to get on a plane and look for TJ. He is not worth it!
Remember this is his opinion and maybe to a point he is right. The Turks were and excellent team always good to play against and a nice bunch of guys as well!
The Russians are very good (although last few outings not so good).
TurksvRussians would be interesting on Sup air yes the russians but in the woods The Turks would have them.
Just my opinion
And Calm down Pete !!!!!
Peace
Piper

OH MY GOD (for the third time), just because the Turks were 'good to play against' and were a 'nice bunch of guys' doesn't constitute them being a better team than the Legion, it just means you 'like' them more.
That I can understand because I liked them also but we also have to acknowledge that they never took their paintball seriously. Half of them turned up late, the other half were still pissed out of their brain from the night before and for you and TJ to elevate them past the Russian Legion, who train three nights a week, never turn up late, always turn up sober and conduct themselves professionally at all times.
PPuuurrrrleeeeassee, the Turks ain't even in the same league.
It is romantic hogwash to believe otherwise but Andy, if your 'opinion' is similar to TJ's and 2+2=5, you have every right to it.
It's just that some of us like to live in the real world.
And as for the Turks beating the Russian Legion in the woods, or anywhere else for that matter, there is as much chance of that happening as me learning to be humble..........basically none, zero, zilch...get the picture !!!!!!!!!!!!
Robbo

 

[octane]

andie who was in the dreamteam anyway,and are they still playing.
It would be nice to know.

 

[tb-303]

any seats left in here, or is it standing room only? who's round is it? i'll have a bud!
tb-303

 

[octane]

Mines a London Pride

 

[TJ 2]

"The Russian Legion have beaten every top team there is, And that is all top euro teams and all the top US teams who venture over here, they are also consistent finalists in the Millennium.
Now the Turks were a just above average pro side in the mid nineties achieving a Mayhem win and maybe a couple of other tournament victories elsewhere. "

Dude, I think you're undermining the Turks - they won Mayhem and Campaign and were regular Pro finalists...they often beat the ol' Preds and NWC at their height - without cheating (and you just know that Marcus an' the boys weren't playing it whiter than white) - when the Preds were arguably the best team in the world, certainly in the top 3.

I'd say that what the Turks accomplished in their day was as much as tha Legion has so far in its lifetime. What has the Legion won - actually won - that supercedes the Turks Mayhem victory?

But your assertion that the game is harder/more technical now stands, thus making the Legion better. But on the other hand, that fact backs my assertion that you develop to combat what's in front of ya, so there has been more stimulus on the Russkies to improve than there was on the Turks.

So the only way to really know tha truth of it would be to take both sets of players and start em from the same start point and see which team did best. Remember my soccer analogy...still stands. And you assert that it'd be the Russkies...I say it'd be tha Turks.

That ain't 2+2=5...that's me saying one thing and you another, which is waaaaaaaay different.

Peace

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by TJ 2
"
Dude, I think you're undermining the Turks - they won Mayhem and Campaign and were regular Pro finalists...they often beat the ol' Preds and NWC at their height - without cheating (and you just know that Marcus an' the boys weren't playing it whiter than white) - when the Preds were arguably the best team in the world, certainly in the top 3.

I'd say that what the Turks accomplished in their day was as much as tha Legion has so far in its lifetime. What has the Legion won - actually won - that supercedes the Turks Mayhem victory?

But your assertion that the game is harder/more technical now stands, thus making the Legion better. But on the other hand, that fact backs my assertion that you develop to combat what's in front of ya, so there has been more stimulus on the Russkies to improve than there was on the Turks.

So the only way to really know tha truth of it would be to take both sets of players and start em from the same start point and see which team did best. Remember my soccer analogy...still stands. And you assert that it'd be the Russkies...I say it'd be tha Turks.

That ain't 2+2=5...that's me saying one thing and you another, which is waaaaaaaay different.

Peace

Thank God romantics like you finally slip up, all the time you generalise you are on seemingly firm ground with your 'opinion' providing the only evidence.
Basically you don't know what you are talking about!!!
The Turks did NOT and I mean NOT beat the Preds OFTEN, if you had been on the circuit at that time at the top level, you would have known that, I doubt they beat the Preds more than twice in their lifetime and as for beating NWC, not much more than that.
And you conveniently ignore the fact that to win a Millennium now is many times harder than winning a tournament of yesteryear.
The teams are sooo much better now at all levels and there are so many more of them.
The Turks would never even make the semis, if they played a Millennium !!
And to bring up the darker sides of Preds play is a joke when you consider the prevalence of cheating and cynicism that is apparent on the circuit now.
And just because you agree with me about the Russians being more technical and being better players and teams developing according to what’s around at that time, doesn't back your argument up at all !!!!!
How the hell do you work that out, it backs me up on every point I have made, any other conclusion is a blatant dereliction of logic and reason.
So when it comes down to it, the guys and gals who read this thread are gonna decide who is talking **** and it ain't me !!!
I played against the Turks many times, I am better placed to make a judgement than you, a fact you seem determined to ignore.
I'm afraid you are just gonna have to accept it, the alternative is to keep doing what you are doing and I think in the end, most people would get tired of appearing a fool!
And as for the mathematical difference, you are right, it is just me saying one thing and you another, I am saying something that is 'reasonable and informed ' and you are saying something that is 'bull****', that's the only difference.
You haven't even acknowledged the point I made regarding the Turks being pissed out of their brains most of the time and totally unprofessional and this in itslef would alert most people to their realtive standing with the Legion, Bah !!!!

Robbo

 

[TJ Lambini]

"And you conveniently ignore the fact that to win a Millennium now is many times harder than winning a tournament of yesteryear. "

Uh, was Mayhem not the second biggest event in the world at the time?

And to bring up the darker sides of Preds play is a joke when you consider the prevalence of cheating and cynicism that is apparent on the circuit now.

Uh, you telling me there's more cheating on Sup'Air than in the woods? Now I KNOW you're taking the piss...

And just because you agree with me about the Russians being more technical and being better players and teams developing according to what’s around at that time, doesn't back your argument up at all !!!!!

Um, yeh it does. You keep ignoring my soccer analogy so I'll make it real simple for ya:

Ask any critic who would win in a match between England's World Cup winners of 66 and the current team and they'll ALL say the current team.

Now ask the same pundits which is the better team and they'll tell you the 66 team. Why, cos they were better relative to the competition and cos they won the biggest event in the World.

The Turks - at a time when cheating was waaaaaaaaaaay more prevalent and waaaaaaay less detectable than it is now - won the second biggest tournament in the world.

What have the Legion won that is comparable?

I love ya argument technique BTW sweetie - shout an holler loud, thro in a coupla insults and boom, you win...least in your head. Wittgenstein woulda bin proud...

Peace

 

[Robbo]

TJ,
Mayhem has been the second biggest tournament at the time but the level of competition was nowhere near a present day Millennium as you well know.
As for more cheating on Sup’ Air?
I honestly think the level of cheating is about the same maybe a tad more on Sup’ air.
The reason is because I think players have become far more cynical than years ago and far more skilled in the art of playing on.
I believe wiping is most certainly less on Sup’ Air for obvious reasons but as you know this is just one area of cheating, there's a lot more going on than just wiping.
OK, now we come to the denouement of this post, you quote Wittgenstein, which I have to say, is ironic, for two reasons.
Firstly, to introduce the idea of philosophy into this thread opens up a Pandora’s box of criticism if yours or my post is not rigorous in logic and reason.
And secondly, if memory serves me right, Wittgenstein was primarily concerned with language giving rise to a deeper insight into the real world by virtue of its usage and construction.
And here comes a massive dollop of irony: -
You use the word 'better' and is best defined as being 'more able', more proficient at a particular task in a relative sense.
I don't think even you could argue against my definition so far.
But you have misused the word 'better' and confused it with being more successful.
I would agree the Turks were more successful in their era but that does not mean they were a better team.
The better team is the one who would win and you have already acknowledged the technical and tactical ascendancy of the Legion over the Turks….D’oh !!!!
As for your assessment on how I conduct this debate by hollering and introducing a few insults and such.
‘Yes’ I do holler, ‘yes’ I will give you some ****, but never, never think that this is a device to mask any lack of reasonable points, it is not as you well know.
I have been both logical and truthful, the fact that I may lose it a bit from time to time does not detract from the substance of what I have said, it merely shows I get a bit pissed off sometimes.
Conclusion.
TJ, if you really wanna mix it with me, you have to make damn sure you leave no chinks in the armour of your argument especially when you introduce the notion of philosophy and all that entails in terms of logic, truth and rigorous use thereof.
You made a mistake in the Turks victories over the Preds, you also made a mistake in your use of the word ‘better’ that you used in the conclusive part of your argument thereby nullifying it all.
TJ, If you really wanna mix it with me, make sure you got the ammo !!!
Robbo

 

[TJ Lambini]

So which is better, England 66 or England now?

And you're still, willfully i think, avoiding my main thrust...as the actress said to the bishop.