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Anglacon

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With no video or seeing it firsthand, I look at it this way.. (and am 100% unbiased- i know neither of those involved.)
1. Robo should NOT have gone on the field while there was still activity involving the game in any way. Period.
2. No matter how many hand gestures or words are used, NOONE has the right to hit another person, so that first rage player needs to be banned... for life.
3. 5 v 1 proves beyond a shadow of a doubt what a bunch of pu***es rage seems to be. Man up.

So robbo should not have done what he did, and he got his a$$ kicked for it.. that is a mistake he will never make again I would guess. Rage should be gone. Done. no more, ever again.

But the most aggregious wrongdoing was the tournament that let these idiots back onthe field of play. when will tourneys start punishing the wrongdoers?
the Salm incident comes to mind... a slap onthe wrist for an infraction that the sport STILL has not recovered from. At world cup this year, i heard plenty of Salm jokes...
But the real joke is the rules enforcement.

thats all my opinion, not that it means anything.
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I am not calling Robbo's integrity into question. All I am saying is that in any situation as heated as this one. You will have a story from both sides that differs somewhat. The truth is usually found somewhere in the middle. No matter how hard they try. Both Robbo and the individuals on Rage who were involved cannot be totaly unbiased in their view of what happened. I spoke to the Rage player involved soon after the incident. And I also spoke with one of the marshals who was on the field during the altercation and helped to pull players off of Robbo. My point is that there is a little more to this story than what's on the surface. I'm sure if they are smart. And we all know Robbo fits that criteria. The parties involved will whitewash the events somewhat and hope it all goes away. They were BOTH wrong and they were lucky that the punishment was not more severe than it was. It is in both of their interest's that the story goes away. My only point is for everyone to keep an open mind. Rage has their faults but in my opinion the blame cannot rest solely on their shoulders here. And just for the record. I like Robbo too. How can you not like the big lug. Although I'm sure he'll have a bash at me when he gets back.
On a side note. Robbo took his beating like a man. As he was being driven away in a golf cart. He smiled a bloody smile and said " pretty isn't it". He didn't even seem like he was mad. He truly is a cool cat. :cool:
 

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At the Miami NPPL we were told on 3 different fields that if there was a dispute during the game to wait until AFTER the game was over and that our CAPTAIN was to bring it to the Ultimate Judges attention BEFORE the sheet was signed. Robbo was not given special permission to enter the field because he sits on the Rules committee, he was given permission because he is their captain.

If Robbo entered the field before the game was called game over then he was in the wrong in that regard. If he waited until the game was over and asked for permission to enter the field then he is doing what any other good captain would do and what we were told was OK by other judges.

If the scoresheet is signed by one of his players then he has very little recourse, but if he gets on to the field before the sheet is signed then the issue can be discussed, the ultimate judge called, etc.

This is not an issue of Robbo being on the rules committee. This is an issue of 5 players rushing someone to fight ON the field. And if someone thinks that a captain/coach should not sit on the rules committee then you just lost 2 other people on the rules committee, Ron Kilbourne and Glen Forster.

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Originally posted by Fabio421
What hasn't been mentioned here yet is that Robbo allegedly started the scuffle by head butting Adrian in the left cheek. He also allegedly made a refference to fellatio and made masterbatory motions with his hand prior to Adrian getting in his face. Care to comment on that Mark Toye-Nexus ? I know this site is overwhelmingly european and will most likely side with Robbo no matter what . But I think there a lot more to the story than whats being told here.

Fabio,
I will answer this one because it deserves one, I did make that gesture towards them yes, they were all screaming **** towards me, I had forgotten I did that till I just read that in your post.
As for head butting anybody, it's quite possible Adrian got it from me as he was the guy who came running out with the rest of them and begun punching and kicking me. I had to defend myself the best ways I know how for god's sake, you think I am just gonna let them do that cr@p to me ?

As for there being a lot more to the story, maybe, but you wanna tell me what justfies five people kicking and punching one for a frikkin gesture?
But in essence, the two points you bring up, you are correct in, I did gesture to them, and did defend myself when I was attacked by FIVE frikkin players.
 

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As usual I've gotta step in and clue everyone into reality, so let me take this one foot [in mouth] at a time [share]...
Let me state as a disclaimer that I have not bothered to wade through every post here but have scanned through the previous five and a half pages and focused on some key things, so I may have missed a couple of bits and I'm not on any hater club, haven't seen any video, and know only fifth-hand info which is worth a bucket of warm spit in my mind. That being said...

If pete asked an official if he could take to the field after the game, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this unless it is specifically disallowed by the rules (which I don't know and don't care to look up at the moment). I have, in my time, asked refs on several occasions if I could hit the field after a game and in many events the coach/captain is specifically allowed to do so as the only player/person allowed to protest or discuss a call. This is all "if, if" but that's my view on Pete going on the field.

If there was any sort of altercation involving physical force on a Paintball field, I whole-heartedly support MAJOR, and I do mean MAJOR penalties for all involved unless it can be absolutely demonstrated that one party was acting in PURE AND ABSOLUTE SELF-DEFENSE. ANY instigation or aggression that leads either or both parties into such action negates such a distinction in my mind, whether it be symbolic, verbal, etc. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I would support such a major penalty against the parties involved and this is my unbiased opinion, given even in the consideration that one of the persons involved is my friend Pete Robinson. As for the issue of multiple on single fighters...yeah I know Pete is a big guy but if any weenie out there decides to get all badass on anyone and isn't man enough to do it mono e mono then they have issues and that's putting it kindly.

>>>>In paintball, there is very little difference between going on the field during a game and after the game.<<<<

I disagree with this statement.

>>>> You missed the point - in ANY sport - you won't see anyone from the league but the officials on the field until the game is done<<<<

That's not true either. I have been glued to the TV for the last several weeks watching [American] football and there is tons of "lobbying" happening on-field both by players, coaches, and (when the refs find themselves near or around) fans. And MOST of it is intra-game (xcept for the fans part), and plenty of it gets the job done.

>>>> And yes, ideally, Robbo would stop writing articles, Goose would either not play or turn the EPA over to someone else, Ant would be an editor or a player but not both, and Laurent wouldn't be with the TonTons.<<<<

I disagree with all of this as well. There are many players and ex-players in the more mainstream sports that are given avenues for venting and commenting such as magazine and/or newspaper columnists and/or commentators. I don't think playing necessitates silencing one's self from things such as writing articles, editing a magazine, etc. Usually it's the issue of time rather than rules to the contrary that dictate what a player can and can't do, and the public at large perceives NO conflict of interest...quite the contrary, actually, as those individuals who are involved in the sport are most often times the most knowledgeable and the most entertaining to hear and read. The whole nature of press tends to balance itself out...after all, PGI is not the only magazine out there and even with all its players as editors and such, they are highly, highly regarded both for views and for information. As for being on the rules committee and also being on a team, at this point I think it is fine but I'm not going to go into that in great detail. I can see a time in the future where (when it is possible) you would want to avoid that appearance of conflict-of-interest but in the meantime I have not seen, myself, a great deal that would push me to see it as a current problem. Checks and balances are the real key...if you want to look at a good real-life example, look at the coaches' poll and AP poll in College sports rankings. 'nuff said.

As for Robbo:
I am pleased that my friend is OK. All you guys from Nexus, let him know that if he'd like some fighting pointers, I'll be happy to give him some free lessons next time I see him. I'm sure he remembers the last three whoopins I've given him.

:p

As for this time around, if indeed he did get swamped by multiple attackers then he should take it as a compliment that those individuals, in sizing up their likelihood of overtaking him, considered it an impossible feat for any of them to accomplish mono e mono.

Lotsa love to all,
~J~
 

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Thanks for your timely and polite response. I was not defending the fact that you were "jumped" by 5 people. There is no excuse for that. I was only trying to keep those involved in the debate to keep an open mind and that there may be more details than what was originaly posted.
If nothing else comes of this. In the least we have been given another great rivalry in the NPPL and I look forward to the next Nexus/Rage match up. Paintball match up that is. ;) See you in HB.
 

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Originally posted by Fabio421
I look forward to the next Nexus/Rage match up. Paintball match up that is. ;) See you in HB.
Good God- Can you imagine the ammunt of refs they will have on the field the next time these two teams square off?
I can see the stunguns and batons now....
-Anglacon
 

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I think Robbo has justified his actions. Put yourself in his shoes and I bet you would have done the same thing. I think we should stop questioning his integrity and question rage's, because after all this was ultimately instigated by them, and 5 of them beating on him was just uncalled for. What the other rage players should have done would be to separate the two, and rage is getting off easy. According to the rules there is to be absolutely NO physical contact, punishable by a years suspension. Atleast that one instigator should be suspended.
 
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