Red Heat officialy leave PA

[Ben Frain]

Originally posted by matski
It is yep, but people do seem to think that the PA are going to come after them if they decide to play elsewhere...

I just wanna see how teams feel about playing the PA when it won't help them get into the pro league...If teams wanna get recognised, more sponsors etc...you gotta go to where the coverage and the kudos are..

I hear you Matski, and I wonder why people don't just pick up the phone if they are concerned.

RE: PA, in fairness despite yours/Red Heat's and a few other teams negative experience, I think most teams would feel (odd rules and refs aside) the PA has done a good job of creating a sound league structure for UK paintball. Sounder than has ever been previously.

This 'pro-tour' on the other hand is totally untested and has no kudos for many until it earns it. After all, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, no?

 

[Matski]

True true, but im sure if Niall et al - Millennium event organisers are involved it will be good ****.

The pa is a good thing for many teams, I don't question that, Im just questioning what the top teams are gonna do, namely Tigers..

 

[John C]

That depends on how much the teams who are paying for the pro league to be at their event benefit by having the pro league there.

If the promise of qualifying for the pro league raises the standard of play at the other local tourneys to equal that of the PA at the moment, then it will be good for everyone.


I fear it wont though, there are only so many good teams and players in the UK, and when they are playing local tourneys they are not training, what chance will they have against teams that have been kicking it in the pro league for a year?



EDIT
AARG Should have quoted your post before you edited it.
Now my posts make even less sense than usual!

 

[Matski]

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by matski
True true, but im sure if Niall et al - Millennium event organisers are involved it will be good ****.

No doubt. After all it's not like the MS has a truckload of confusing gun rules that do or don't include ramping or had loads of problems with wildly divergent reffing practices... or... hmmm... complaints about venues, er, while giving out timely, correct information and--nevermind.

 

[Matski]

But more coverage for teams involved and a fresh canvas for organisers....
Event organisers run events, the rule decisions you talk about involved people who have nothing to do with the Pro Tour. Events such as Campaign Cup and Malaga have been very well run events in the past, by the same organisers preparing the Pro Tour..

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Ben Frain
IThis 'pro-tour' on the other hand is totally untested and has no kudos for many until it earns it. After all, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, no?

Your wrong mate, it isnt untested at all. Just because the event is new does not mean it is untested. It is coming from the people who have run Campaign cup, Malaga and the Wurzel Bash ()

When BMW come out with a new car, its not untested, its just something new. Just like the Pro tour.

Assuming teams want to play in a league where it is truly competitive they will play in the qualifying leagues in order to get there. What will be the point in playing the PA which has crap judges, and a person running it who cant stop chatting crap in order to make his league look good. No idea where he got the impression that we wanted to play his league, but we dont.

Niall and Scutty know what they have to do to run a successful format, they have both put a lot of effort into the new venture, which will benefit UK paintball no end. Far more so than the PA has/will ever do.
People involved with the PA have been raging about how it is the best thing since slided bread, personally i dont see it. Its just another league. Thats it, period.

 

[Ben Frain]

Originally posted by sjt19
Your wrong mate, it isnt untested at all. Just because the event is new does not mean it is untested. It is coming from the people who have run Campaign cup, Malaga and the Wurzel Bash ()

When BMW come out with a new car, its not untested, its just something new. Just like the Pro tour.

Assuming teams want to play in a league where it is truly competitive they will play in the qualifying leagues in order to get there. What will be the point in playing the PA which has crap judges, and a person running it who cant stop chatting crap in order to make his league look good. No idea where he got the impression that we wanted to play his league, but we dont.

Niall and Scutty know what they have to do to run a successful format, they have both put a lot of effort into the new venture, which will benefit UK paintball no end. Far more so than the PA has/will ever do.
People involved with the PA have been raging about how it is the best thing since slided bread, personally i dont see it. Its just another league. Thats it, period.

All well and good for you in 'pro' land, and I can certainly see why you are excited about it.

However, as an average punter, why would I give a squirt of piss about chasing you lot up and down the country? To watch? Are you kidding me?

I couldn't give a rat's cock about who runs what, who's got the biggest ego etc, all I care about is my experience as a paying customer. I'm not a big shot player, it's just a hobby to me and I find the competition plenty good enough as it is (lowly Div 2 PA team). What has the pro tour got to offer me that isn't better served currently by the PA? (granted that's an invite for plenty of pisstakes and I know the reffing isn't the best but I am talking specifically about structure etc)

You're expecting me to get excited about playing a different format game than the pro's (e.g. standard 5-man or whatever the domestic tournie that the pro tour is hosted at is using for that leg), with different rules than the pro's and multiple locations around the country just to get a shot at 'maybe' (if my team wins the regional series) getting to play the 'pro' format against the demi-gods? Either that or I just turn up to watch the pro's play?

Sorry, it's just a bit of a hard sell for someone who isn't quite as serious as you boys.

I'm probably wrong, it'll probably be the best thing since God talked to Moses, I just still maintain that the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Time will tell.

 

[Edd Hobday]

Originally posted by sjt19
Your wrong mate, it isnt untested at all. Just because the event is new does not mean it is untested. It is coming from the people who have run Campaign cup, Malaga and the Wurzel Bash ()

When BMW come out with a new car, its not untested, its just something new. Just like the Pro tour.

It is untested. Has anyone done a 7-man X-ball style format in this country before? Has anyone run two events along side each other, both using different formats on a monthly basis?

If BMW bring out a car which runs on what most people on the forums talk, bulls**t, its untested. End of!

-EDD

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Ben Frain


However, as an average punter, why would I give a squirt of piss about chasing you lot up and down the country? To watch? Are you kidding me?

You misunderstand Ben. I was not suggesting players will want to watch at all. I merely meant that players will play in the MM, S2k5 and the SWPL or whatever its called now, as a way of getting into the pro tour. it will only be the path that serious teams take, i agree many teams who play for fun will stay where they are. But for those who want to seriously then it will be what they choose to do.

After all, other than a lot of bull, what does the PA actually offer that no other league in the country does? Promotion between divisions? Big deal, great. There is so much bull with the PA it outweighs anything else