Ramping boards as a stock feature...

[binz]

Yeah has anyone ever seen a gun on DB1 be legal one shot per pull?

it can be done with a little TLC, my NYX and my mates Xtiggers trix were bounceing for fun,mine wouldnt run under debounce 18 without going fullauto. both are now runniing on debounce 1 without a problem, after putting in new micro switchs and we cant for the life of us get them to bounce. which is a nice feeling.

so why should new guns with new switchs bounce ??

 

[Gyroscope]

I shot one of these things at Nemacolin. There is simply no way you could mistake the ramping feature for a legal gun. Everyone talks about how hard it is to detect ramping, but this is so obvious that anyone who has played much will be able to tell, IMO.

 

[John C]

Originally posted by binz


so why should new guns with new switchs bounce ??

it depends entirely on the type of microswitch used.

 

[dnafwtbtitft]

Originally posted by gyroscope
I shot one of these things at Nemacolin. There is simply no way you could mistake the ramping feature for a legal gun. Everyone talks about how hard it is to detect ramping, but this is so obvious that anyone who has played much will be able to tell, IMO.

Was that with the rebound set up on 1 or on 5? Still think you could tell the difference between that and a timmy when it's on the lower rebound setting?

So what it comes down to is really... no-one is that bothered about guns coming with these modes. And many people like the fact they do...

OK, I guess the slipperly slope is back.

 

[Baca Loco]

We's on the slope alright, the only question is where's the bottom?

I will hazard a guess at the distinction Gyro was trying to make as I have some experience with F/A guns of late and their ramping relatives.

Any bouncing gun, short of let's call it simulated F/A due to finely tuned mechanical bounce, will fluctuate in it's ROF based on real trigger pulls.
The real F/A guns and the Nerve in ramping function are distinctly different. They deliver pure blazing paint with, go figure, electronically controlled machine-like precision and regularity.

Having said that it is something you can and do hear on the field occasionally at both NPPL and PSP events.

 

[Gyroscope]

I don't know what the settings were, dnafwtbtitft. I just know that after 4 shots at a "jogging" pace, the Nerve "sprinted" all on it's own, with the mechanistic regularity that BL describes. I witnessed a couple of other clearly illegal guns, one of which kept on shooting about 2 ball per second into the ground as a plyer walked off the field. None of this stuff would have fooled R2D2 (as I shall henceforth refer to the NPPL's robot). There may have been loads of more subtle cheats around, but the Nerve, at least was not.

I have heard lots of people acused of having ramping guns, but as of right now, I am convinced that most of them were innocent. There are a few people I have watched play who may well have illegal programming, but I don't think it is as widespread as I suspected before. Maybe that is the sort of complacency that SP wants me to adopt, though...

It seems like PSP has bigger issues with non-semi automatic guns than the NPPL (surprise). I think that someone who wanted to get away with it could, but an irregular rhythm would need to be integrated into the cycling on an assisted firing mode to keep it from being apparent. I also think a non-obvious toggle (trigger activated?) would be required to get away with using it and getting away with it.

Just so I don't sound like I am bashing the PSP reflexively, I should say that pit safety was on the whole more carefully enforced than I expected.

 

[gfresh666]

The Nerve Facts

To change the modes on the nerves you have to have the grip open or off the gun. There is no way on the field to change the gun ! Haveing shot the Nerve and put a few thousand rounds through it is a good marker. The fire modes on the gun are 1 to 5.... 5 being the highest settings. plus this gun is modest compared to the out of the box Alias Timmys. haveing had 10 years in paintball and even acknowledged by Robbo as one the best UK chrono judges to leave the shores of the UK. This gun at the right setting is tournament legal and more so than many of the programed hidden cheat modes on other markers.
Having also read the whole thread I am dismayed to see that it would seem that Philly All Americans will not be shown the same
respect as the Russian Legion were given at the Nemacolin event.
PGI will have a Nerve to review shortly and I would suggest that
uniformed opinions should wait untill the Nerve has had a fair and unbaised review .
Peace .

 

[H]

Oh, I do very much respect the AAs, they are a great team with many talented players that have a long history in the sport. I don't expect the Legion to steam-roller them, i won't boo the AAs but I know where my support will be going. Regardless of the whole SP controversy, it is still the European paintball community vs the US.

I really don't think the Nerve will ever get a good reception over here, aside from the SP vs WDP (US vs UK almost) issue, the 'built in modes' are totally pointless over here. No tournament will let you activate them and it's inclusion could be viewed as illegal (as in properly) in this country. It can't be denied that the ramping is really the key feature of the Nerve and with it's exclusion, the guns relevance with the existence of the Shocker is debatable. Personally I'd much prefer the lighter, more compact, simpler and cheaper Shocker SFT.