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Frackture

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Originally posted by Hatts
In fact we heard a new expression yesterday.. the "15bps grin" which is apparently the look a player gets after playing with the new mode.

An interesting phenomena which I had recounted to me numerous times throughout the day, from all levels, was that players experiencing this for the first time seemed to think that there was some kind of invisible shield in front of them.

awww how quaint, how amusing, how delightfully spiffing that players had the '15 bps grin'...we can now all return to the shires basking in the knowledge that the PA league have produced the '15 bps smile'...Ahhhhhhh…….it warms me to my very core.

Come to think of it pet, let's get all our children playing this game because all the players walk around all day with that smile, it truly must be a family game with all that happiness just ooozing from the players.

FFS, anybody thought about just why these grinning idiots might be so smug, could be because they were firing a marker at a rate they couldn’t ever have hoped to achieve before and has now been artificially handed to them on a plate...yeh good move guys, what next ?

A device that does away with actually aiming the gun and automatically eliminates your opponent?

And while we are at it, why not go the whole hog and rule out all the skills required to play this game and let's play virtual paintball with a joystick, I mean, I'm pretty sure you could get that on Sky on any Saturday morning with the rest of the cartoons and dross especially when you pay them to air the show like you already do.

In fact, let's also get rid of all the rules together, that's got to be easier to police surely?

If there are no rules there's no policing necessary, this is the same rationale is it not?

Just because ramping is hard to catch, let's shift the problem to where we think we can catch it easier but in reality all we’ve done is trade one set of problems for another and ended up nullifying one of paintball’s skills and upping the chances of some grinning idiot getting hurt or getting into a fight.

We've really cracked it now, wooo hoo, more power to the PA.
 

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Originally posted by Frackture

FFS, anybody thought about just why these grinning idiots might be so smug, could be because they were firing a marker at a rate they couldn’t ever have hoped to achieve before and has now been artificially handed to them on a plate...yeh good move guys,
Yeah cos they could never of gotten the technology before.....:rolleyes:
Cheat ramping aint hard to catch it's impossible to do on a practical basis!
Don't like it get your manager to vote against it.
 

Buddha 3

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Originally posted by Frackture
awww how quaint, how amusing, how delightfully spiffing that players had the '15 bps grin'...we can now all return to the shires basking in the knowledge that the PA league have produced the '15 bps smile'...Ahhhhhhh…….it warms me to my very core.

Come to think of it pet, let's get all our children playing this game because all the players walk around all day with that smile, it truly must be a family game with all that happiness just ooozing from the players.

FFS, anybody thought about just why these grinning idiots might be so smug, could be because they were firing a marker at a rate they couldn’t ever have hoped to achieve before and has now been artificially handed to them on a plate...yeh good move guys, what next ?

A device that does away with actually aiming the gun and automatically eliminates your opponent?

And while we are at it, why not go the whole hog and rule out all the skills required to play this game and let's play virtual paintball with a joystick, I mean, I'm pretty sure you could get that on Sky on any Saturday morning with the rest of the cartoons and dross.

In fact, let's also get rid of all the rules together, that's got to be easier to police surely?

If there are no rules there's no policing necessary, this is the same rationale is it not?

Just because ramping is hard to catch, let's shift the problem to where we think we can catch it easier but in reality all we’ve done is trade one set of problems for another and ended up nullifying one of paintball’s skills and upping the chances of some grinning idiot getting hurt or getting into a fight.

We've really cracked it now, wooo hoo, more power to the PA.
You probably said the same thing when electroes were introduced...

You probably said the same thing when semis were introduced...

You probably said the same thing when the big hoppers replaced the sticks...

You probably said the same thing when slam firing first reared it's head...

You probably said.....blah blah blah.


Look, I am no fan or enemy of the PA. I never played one of their events, I like some of the people that are involved (giving me tea in cold-ass Belgium helps), I dislike some of the people that are involved.
But I do agree with their choice to go with ramping. They have to make sure that they can enforce the rules, but that's a different story. Just because some people can now fire faster than they could before is no reason to outlaw certain technology. What would be the point of inventing the semi and the electro in the first place? Or are you miffed because your prescious advantage is now lost? If that's the case, here's a tip. Learn to make gamebreaking moves, rather than concentrating on shooting fast...
 
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ollytheosteo

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Russ- I've certainly seen fights at more than one UK tourney, unless your definition of a "cafuffle" involves punches being thrown and fellas on the ground. I'm sure UK paintball appreciates you sticking up for us by sueing people who disagree with the PA, but I'd like to see a few of the specific complaints that people have made addressed in more detail;

Was there a failure in chrono protocol? Were people able to get on field with guns firing over the limit? If so, how on earth was this allowed to happen? A 280fps limit that isn't enforced is a hell of a lot more dangerous than a 300fps that is.

Is the device you are using to measure ROF effective or not? Some of the people posting on here have plainly stated that guns firing over the 15bps limit were not detected- is this true? Why the hell do you only have one device for the entire event? If the PA are standing behind this rule surely they need to be able to effectively enforce it.

How do you respond to the criticisms re marshalling? Surely for a major event with new rules in place the Marshalls should be experienced, full of zip and fully aware of the rules they're supposed to be enforcing?

I think either you or Hatts should respond to the above instead of flinging silly talk of lawsuits around whilst at the same time ignoring everything else.
 
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duffistuta

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Originally posted by ollytheosteo


I think either you or Hatts should respond to the above instead of flinging silly talk of lawsuits around whilst at the same time ignoring everything else.
Don't be daft...90% of UK Paintballers mimic their American counterparts in every way possible, Russ is merely taking the next logical step and adopting the all American approach to these things.

PS Attempt to argue with me and I'll see you in court bro...
 
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ollytheosteo

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PS Attempt to argue with me and I'll see you in court bro...
Forget court- let's settle this the old fashioned way- I'm calling you out for a good old fashioned cafuffle.
 
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duffistuta

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Originally posted by ollytheosteo
Forget court- let's settle this the old fashioned way- I'm calling you out for a good old fashioned cafuffle.
In Paintball? Such things are unheard of, think of the consequences man.
 

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Originally posted by ollytheosteo


Was there a failure in chrono protocol? Were people able to get on field with guns firing over the limit? If so, how on earth was this allowed to happen? A 280fps limit that isn't enforced is a hell of a lot more dangerous than a 300fps that is.
At many events in the UK 2 people are selected for chrono, sometimes they are picked at random other times they volunteer, this wasn't alot different IMO.

Originally posted by ollytheosteo


How do you respond to the criticisms re marshalling? Surely for a major event with new rules in place the Marshalls should be experienced, full of zip and fully aware of the rules they're supposed to be enforcing?
It ain't easy finding 28 marshalls all with the above credentials though.
 

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Re: Re: Ramping at the PA...

Originally posted by Buddha 3
You probably said the same thing when electroes were introduced...

You probably said the same thing when semis were introduced...

You probably said the same thing when the big hoppers replaced the sticks...

You probably said the same thing when slam firing first reared it's head...

You probably said.....blah blah blah.


Look, I am no fan or enemy of the PA. I never played one of their events, I like some of the people that are involved (giving me tea in cold-ass Belgium helps), I dislike some of the people that are involved.
But I do agree with their choice to go with ramping. They have to make sure that they can enforce the rules, but that's a different story. Just because some people can now fire faster than they could before is no reason to outlaw certain technology. What would be the point of inventing the semi and the electro in the first place? Or are you miffed because your prescious advantage is now lost? If that's the case, here's a tip. Learn to make gamebreaking moves, rather than concentrating on shooting fast...
Buddha, my post was a cynical jibe, extending it to a natural conclusion whereby it exposes the rationales employed as non-sensical and ill thought out.

But I think what embodies your misunderstanding is your last line (allegedly the last line is always the bottom line) which is, 'Learn to make gamebreaking moves, rather than concentrating on shooting fast...

And we are to now make these moves against grinning idiots all of whom now shoot at 15 bps ?

Ain't adding up as far as I can see :rolleyes:
 
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ollytheosteo

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It ain't easy finding 28 marshalls all with the above credentials though.
I hear that, but if you're going to try and redefine UK paintball you need to push that little bit harder. If the PA is going to live up to their own hype then they need to train these fellas up a bit, and they certainly need to be familiar with all the rules:rolleyes:
 
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