Ramping at the PA...

[Scars]

Originally posted by robtattoo
Purely from a spectators point of view (this time), I thought it sucked balls. For divs 1 & 2, this may be OK, but in divs 3 & 4, it was obvious that a LOT of people were getting overshot & hurt. Has Andy Hatton experienced 15bps in the clackers yet? He fukkin well should, see how he likes it !! 2 of our lads had to find out first hand. Believe it or not, Fat Bob's York madde a moral decision not to use any ramping & what happened ?, one of the lads got penalty pointed for trigger bounce. Irony sucks ass. Sort out the marshalls & dump this stupid & dangerous rule.

Rant over.

ps, this is my view only, not nescecerally that of the rest of the lads.

Im agreeing all the way with you Rob and im sure Twizz will too - Ive never ran my marker ramped as i couldn't see it would make a clear advantage - and to be frank for what i did see it Didn't - all it did was promote run away guns which had me and 3 teammates overkilled - its a p1$$ poor rule which from talking to other players is jus gonna make the sport more & more dangerous and later maybe have the sport banned.

I didnt really mind at first but now im totally against!

 

[Collier]

Maybe the rule shoulda be rolled out to div 1 & 2 only, seems like the lower divs can't handle it......

Paul.

 

[Robeenio]

Originally posted by Scars
Im agreeing all the way with you Rob and im sure Twizz will too - Ive never ran my marker ramped as i couldn't see it would make a clear advantage - and to be frank for what i did see it Didn't - all it did was promote run away guns which had me and 3 teammates overkilled - its a p1$$ poor rule which from talking to other players is jus gonna make the sport more & more dangerous and later maybe have the sport banned.

I didnt really mind at first but now im totally against!

how can you say there is no advantage of having your gun ramping to 15bps when the main aim in semi auto was to get your fingers moving as fast as you can to chuck the paint out and compare knob sizes with people by going i can do such and such bps

the 15bps ramp issue is going to be a sore one that wont die down for a while, i just wish people would stop throwing their toys out the pram becasue they got hit more than they are used to.

fair enough i dont like getting hit, but not because of the pain issue but because of the fact that i am eliminated. i was on the recieving end of a ramping gun and tanks to the nitro dude who did me a treat he saw that i was a gonna and held off the trigger! (thanks dude ) i was more pi$$ed off in the fact that he had got the better of me.

if you put yourself on that field you have got to expect to be shot.
now there is more paint flying your way you have got to expect to be shot a little more.

i wish everyone would stop their whining and just embrace the new rule and adapt. run faster ffs, i know i had to. try and read the game more

if some sucka is going to overkill then they need to be penalised and that is up to the ultimate on field. once people have learnt how to use the ramp more effectively the bitching will stop and so will the people who think they are arnie in commando

peace and fruit sherberts

 

[cookie_834]

well i think ramping is the best thing since sliced bread ive gt an eblade that isnt ramped and i cn fire nearly 15 anyway so it doesnt bother me but wot i loved mst about it is that moment of silence about 30 secs in wen all the back guys have to pot magic moment were u jst pop ovr the top of the snake and scare the hell out of thm lol. i see wot ppl are saying tho, angels arnt ramped propely and fire well ovr 15bps bt at the same time i no alot of ppl who cn fire quicker thn 15bps without the ramp so wot we gonna do about thm ay? and mugging dnt hurt that mch, i gt mugged by one of the cannock cobras and one of the leicester wildcats and they jst hurt like normal cos the guys move the gun off u aftr thyve hit u cos thy keep running, the only time u gt ovr kill is wen sum1 streams paint frm the snake or another 50/60 bunker across field. rampings nt made that mch of a diffrent really has it wen u think about it

 

[James@Kartelprime]

I think the rampin rule is the way forward - everyone knew when they turned up sunday mornin most people would be firing 15bps constantly - and by default we are gona get shot a couple more times then we did in round one - but wtf did u expect - after comin of the field on one game after doing a run through avin my half my goggles covered in paint and my body - why moan or whine about it - u got expect it - just means u got run faster - watch the lanes of paint alot more and make sure you aint running through em - i for one cant wait till next round its gona get alot more intense as we all become more at ease with the rule and start adopting and implementing the options it gives us much more.

So far the main reason for people hating this rule is overkill and skill gettin taken out of the game - no skills is lost and in terms of overkill - like i said above it aint overkill in the old sense - its what you gotta expect when everyone is firing 15bps at you!!!

 

[Scars]

No one likes to be shot your right but there are rules on overkill - what we gonna do blow that rule outta the water?

Overkill causes more on and off field fights and disputes in tourney, woodland, wherever.

Your gun ramp "YOU ARE LESS IN CONTROL OF IT" i dont care what you say. I was sitting with the Velocity lads and Richy Harris with the 05 speeds and new software - after 3 trigger it went to 4 balls - ie no control on 3 of them - bend around the rules as much as you like but if the home office assessed these new modes of fire i can't see them justifying it.

Great you get to be a little lazier Robin and you get to shoot a cocnsistant stream without breaking a sweat but:-

1 we have never been allowed this type of ruling ever before and Semi never did us any harm, the sport has happily evolved without the need of rampig software

2. majority whom are against the ramping rules are thinking long term and importantly - safety - what happens if a judge stops a game 1/2 way thru due to an injury or a breach in safety i.e smashed goggles and your sitting there with a runaway marker going? you have no control over that marker finishing - therefore its a Breach of safety regulations

 

[John C]

Originally posted by Collier
Heard rumours of a couple of the low level div 1 teams packing it in.....

I hope they do.

There are plenty of other tourneys to play that dont allow ramping.

In fact there are plenty of other sports to play, like crown green bowls, or tiddlywinks where you dont get shot at all!!!


I know we would give anything for the chance to play the likes of the Tigers or MancUnion.



PS I think I shot u collier

 

[John C]

Originally posted by Scars
No one likes to be shot your right but there are rules on overkill - what we gonna do blow that rule outta the water?

Overkill causes more on and off field fights and disputes in tourney, woodland, wherever.

Your gun ramp "YOU ARE LESS IN CONTROL OF IT" i dont care what you say. I was sitting with the Velocity lads and Richy Harris with the 05 speeds and new software - after 3 trigger it went to 4 balls - ie no control on 3 of them - bend around the rules as much as you like but if the home office assessed these new modes of fire i can't see them justifying it.

Great you get to be a little lazier Robin and you get to shoot a cocnsistant stream without breaking a sweat but:-

1 we have never been allowed this type of ruling ever before and Semi never did us any harm, the sport has happily evolved without the need of rampig software

2. majority whom are against the ramping rules are thinking long term and importantly - safety - what happens if a judge stops a game 1/2 way thru due to an injury or a breach in safety i.e smashed goggles and your sitting there with a runaway marker going?

If someone is gonna overshoot you, they are gonna overshoot you. It doesnt matter whether they have a hair trigger semi auto, or a ramping gun. They are one of these idiots who gets crazy when they mug someone and just stands there hosing them. It happened to us on Sunday.
Every mugging I did on sunday was either one or two balls. That doesnt even engage ramp mode.



If the gun fires 4 balls after the 3rd pull then that doesnt comply with the rules and someone has to do something about that.
The ramp mode should only be sustained for 0.2 seconds(5bps) which should give a maximum of 2 extra balls at 15bps. (theoretically its 3, but that never happens).

 

[Scars]

Im seeing your predicament John, I think i speak for most - We got no issue with Speed of markers and i dont think anyone on here does.

Im mainly stating the fact that with ramping were losing control of our markers - which in turn is increasing the danger of the sport.

Div 3 + 4 are a less experienced kettle of ballers. This is why i think i was shot off the field in excess - If Ramping is to stay i think it should be a privilage to the better caliber of players who know how to use this feature correctly - i heard the marker actually ramp at me which made me think they had an easy excuse to put their new software into practise - For a big fat tattoo'ed chap i have a relatively calm temper on me - but thats what flipped me out

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Originally posted by Scars
1 we have never been allowed this type of ruling ever before and Semi never did us any harm, the sport has happily evolved without the need of rampig software

Up to a point the sport happily evolved without pump action, without slam fire, without semis, without electros, without ramping, without the next evolution in marker technology.

I also have the

feeling whenever anyone mentions overshooting. If you're going to be an overshooting prick, you'll do it with or without ramping. I mean, I once took ten or eleven shots from someone who mugged me with a slide trigger cocker. Overshooting pricks will always be overshooting pricks.


One thing that strikes me is that whenever opinions are presented those who are complaining against whatever are always more vocal. The dissatisfied always voice their opinions more than the satisfied. That's just the way it is - people will take the time to complain but not to commend.

We see a few people on the boards voicing their dissatisfaction. Lets be generous and call it 20. Then we have another generous 20 who are for it. Assuming that half the teams had 7 players, and the other half had 8, that leaves more than 300 players from Sunday at the PA who can't be bothered to say anything. Which, going by human nature, I'd say that they're more likely to be not bothering to commend and praise than they are to be not bothering to complain.

How about at the next PA every player is asked to vote on it at the end of their playing day - ie after they have actually experienced it. I know Gillie and Hatts will hate me for suggesting more work for them, but wouldn't it be interesting to know actually how many players are against it. In fact, fck it, at the end of your session, take a poll amongst your team, allow them to voice their honest opinions, and then post it up here - pass on this to every team manager you know and we can have an unofficial count of who loves it, who hates it, and who can't think of an opinion cos they had 300 shots put into their head cos of ramping.

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I'm also thinking don't let the lower divs use ramping, not cos they don't have the self control to not shoot the living daylights out of the other team, but cos they don't have the experience or sense to get up, and get off the field as quick as poss once shot

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