Raehl in a conflict of interest?
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Surely the only way to stop sandbagging is that the I.D system incorperates all of the different events run like the Mills, PSP, NPPL,Pan Am, X-Ball then the ID will cover all of these events and the player information could be stored on a main data base that can be accessed by any of the event organisers at player registration to see who the player is registered for if you register for one team then even if you were bought in as a guest for one event tough luck thats the only team you can play for.
Im all for the I.D system (seen enough sandbagging) and as long as the system works and is governed properly by the organisers and through to the marshalls who check the players before they go onto the field of play with their masks off and not as i have seen before at events players I.D checked but the player has his mask on
But could all the individual events work together and have just the one I.D system that covers them all i doubt it very much and here lies the main problem cos the events make money out of players I.D wether the funds are put back into the event to make them better or put into someones pocket!!! Another debate and i aint going there on that one.
Im all for the I.D system (seen enough sandbagging) and as long as the system works and is governed properly by the organisers and through to the marshalls who check the players before they go onto the field of play with their masks off and not as i have seen before at events players I.D checked but the player has his mask on
But could all the individual events work together and have just the one I.D system that covers them all i doubt it very much and here lies the main problem cos the events make money out of players I.D wether the funds are put back into the event to make them better or put into someones pocket!!! Another debate and i aint going there on that one.
...and the fact that Raehls only response when asked how it will stop sandbagging was "It works."
been following this with interest...particularly because of the sanbagging thing and because the PA is issuing player photo registration cards to all registered players. At no extra charge. Every player has a unique ID number, regardless of which team they play for and that's their's for life. The only applicable charge is if they lose it and it needs to be replaced, then there's an admin charge of £20 (around US$38), but only if they lose it. They sure as hell do not require a new card every season, which, quite frankly is in my opinion a very thinly veiled excerise in extorting yet more cash from the players.
I actually don't really see how ID cards could prevent sandbagging the way it seems to be claimed here and with the way tourneys are organised at present. I'm inclined to agree with WKD () that unless you apply it across the board and all tourneys are run from the same database, no ID card system is going to work effectively anyway. And if every tourney series has it's own ID card system and player wants to play 3 or 4...that's a lot of money for a bit of plastic.
Interestingly there actually isn't such a thing as sandbagging in the PA League, but that's because of the way it's structured rather than due to any dubious ID card scheme.
Just wanted to say my bit.
I actually don't really see how ID cards could prevent sandbagging the way it seems to be claimed here and with the way tourneys are organised at present. I'm inclined to agree with WKD (
) that unless you apply it across the board and all tourneys are run from the same database, no ID card system is going to work effectively anyway. And if every tourney series has it's own ID card system and player wants to play 3 or 4...that's a lot of money for a bit of plastic.Interestingly there actually isn't such a thing as sandbagging in the PA League, but that's because of the way it's structured rather than due to any dubious ID card scheme.
Just wanted to say my bit.
bloody hell Hatts !!! In principle it is the best idea but in practice it aint gonna happen until all the tourney organisers put their heads together and have just one ID governing body to cover all the tourneys and i cant see that happening for a long time
The industry has tried to get together many times. The last try was called the Paintball Manufacturers Assosciation. It lasted about 6 months.
Perhaps paintball needs a commissioner, like baseball and football have. But, I doubt that will ever happen. Too many people in the industry have too many personal interests involved.
Perhaps paintball needs a commissioner, like baseball and football have. But, I doubt that will ever happen. Too many people in the industry have too many personal interests involved.
Couple of things:
First of all - if the ID card system requires 'some form of government issued picture ID' in order to secure it - WTF do you need to pay to get an additional, non-government issued picture ID?
You've already GOT the picture id, and some kind of number to go along with it. Put that into the damn database, then all anyone needs to bring with them to an event is their drivers license, school id or military id.
Player number? Team association? That's called 'database administration'.
Therefore, on this basis alone, any mandatory, purchase-basis league-issued ID card is nothing but a participation tax.
Second: all through the 'regime change in Iraq' thing, we kept on hearing about 'transparency in government' as one of the key goals in establishing a democratic Iraqi government.
ANY ID system that is used to vet players and that events use to rely on for attendance and so-called fairness has got to have transparency. Where's the money going is a legit question. Who gets to use it is a legit question. Who's selling the names and addresses for additional profit is a legit question.
Finally, if leagues are going to insist on issuing their own IDs, they have also got to accept each other's IDs, or the whole thing is pointless. This of course begs the question of who is going to coordinate the different databases so that honoring each other's cards actually means something.
First of all - if the ID card system requires 'some form of government issued picture ID' in order to secure it - WTF do you need to pay to get an additional, non-government issued picture ID?
You've already GOT the picture id, and some kind of number to go along with it. Put that into the damn database, then all anyone needs to bring with them to an event is their drivers license, school id or military id.
Player number? Team association? That's called 'database administration'.
Therefore, on this basis alone, any mandatory, purchase-basis league-issued ID card is nothing but a participation tax.
Second: all through the 'regime change in Iraq' thing, we kept on hearing about 'transparency in government' as one of the key goals in establishing a democratic Iraqi government.
ANY ID system that is used to vet players and that events use to rely on for attendance and so-called fairness has got to have transparency. Where's the money going is a legit question. Who gets to use it is a legit question. Who's selling the names and addresses for additional profit is a legit question.
Finally, if leagues are going to insist on issuing their own IDs, they have also got to accept each other's IDs, or the whole thing is pointless. This of course begs the question of who is going to coordinate the different databases so that honoring each other's cards actually means something.
In order to achieve what?Originally posted by Robbo
Yawn
Hancock, you gotta do a lot better than that.........
I'm not trying to support anyone or any particular arguement.
In this case i've never met Reahl so i have no opinion about him, if i ever meet him (In person or on the forums) i'll form one then. If i found that i didn't get on with him, I would not waste my time telling everyone, and would let other people form there opinions of him for themselves.
In terms of the use of ID cards to prevent sandbagging and the use of revenue generated from such a scheme, i'm still just following the debate, but in the event that i do decide to contribute i will focus on the issues.
"Developed minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; trivial minds discuss people."
Don't hide behind pathetic little aphorisms, please have the bollocks to say what you mean at least !!
Should we re-title this thread too:-
Robbo and Steve Hancock a conflict of opinions
In other woeds EZbunker is what wew are all trying to say is that money talks and whilst there is money to be made either to be put back into the each league events or into someones pocket then it just isnt gonna happen !!!
Pity really cos it would easily solve the issue and we would finally have as players a proper team and player roster and stop the allegations of sandbagging
Robbo and Steve Hancock a conflict of opinions
In other woeds EZbunker is what wew are all trying to say is that money talks and whilst there is money to be made either to be put back into the each league events or into someones pocket then it just isnt gonna happen !!!
Pity really cos it would easily solve the issue and we would finally have as players a proper team and player roster and stop the allegations of sandbagging
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