PRO VS PRO Superleague

[Robbo]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Humility ?

Originally posted by gaff
Pete

you are gonna have to be a little more articulate with your answers when you are interviewed on the tele! any chance of a practice run with the flag situation?

Some teams are doin exactly that and have to report back and as for being more articulate?
There's not much else to say really till something concrete gets decided and then I am sure Magued will let us all know

 

[sjt19]

I was talking to Jeff last night in the pub and he was spot on when he said that everyone wants things to be sorted out for them here and now. What needs to be done is something built for the 2006 season so that in 2k6 we have a league which works at showcasing the best things that paintball has to offer. In that way tv will increase the benefits of playing for everyone involved in the sport.

The exclusivity of the super league needs to be established now so that in a few yearsthe league contains the best of the best. Promotion from Div 1 and Div 2 will give the feel of a proper sport, and will increase outside sponsorships and develop the sport.

The guys at the top now need to do exactly what Robbo said, there is no place for democracy or politics in paintball, sit down and pick the teams that they want involved. Of course peeps will be put out of joint, but there will never be a situation everybody will be happy with. I cant imagine that any of the teams invited would decline the offer of a place in the super league.

16 teams seems like an ideal number, with 8 from the US and 8 form Europe. Maybe 20 would be a good number as well, with a ten ten split but anything more than that would surely dilute the exclusivity of the league.

 

[Baca Loco]

Don't think it's quite that simple, Sam, particularly on the US side of the proposed equation. In essence this new SupaLeague will be asking US teams to make a choice not only to be a part of the new league and commit to the travel etc. but it will also force them to make a choice against the NXL as the concept will be in direct competition with the NXL. And that doesn't seem to me to be a decision any US team is going to make without some very serious thought.

 

[duffistuta]

Unless the NXL has already said 'No new teams for 2004'...or at least no new teams from within Paintball currently.

 

[Wadidiz]

You are missing the point Steve

Nick, I have a very clear vision of how I, personally, would like to see this done. I doesn't make me right, but this is something I've thought about for a long time and have sought a great deal of feedback about.

But, I do listen and learn.

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
What happens if 9 teams want to attend an event - or 10, or 11, or 12, or 13, or 14, or 15, or 17, - and so on ?

I'll change on that one. Go with any quantity from 8 on up.

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
By going with that scheme, you are banking on 8 or 16 teams to enter everyone of those 11 events..... and let's face it, that is just not going to happen with the current financial situation on most teams.... I believe Dynasty and the Tontons are the only teams that played 5 majors across the Atlantic last year, while playing the entire local Series as well.

Keep it open. Give an incentive to the promoters to do a bang-up job. I'm convinced that a minimum of 8 will register. If not, maybe one tournament will have 6 or 7.

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Alternatively you do it on first come first served basis, which is just pure insanity, as either promoters have to close entry months in advance to allow teams time for travel arrangements, or teams have to wait until a few weeks in advance to learn if they are in - meaning added trouble and cost to travel.... and either way, you preclude teams form entering events they want to play, in a league they are officially part of.

So not capping it for this season takes care of that problem.

As for the standard pools, they are old-fashioned, harder to follow and slow things down (points have to gathered and counted before things can move on). I can tell you from what I've seen that double-elimination is more exciting. According to many, Division X Ball, with double-elimination and without keeping things at 8, 16, 24, etc. was the most exciting thing happening at the World Cup. Maybe because it was open competition that included teams that weren't locked and had some of the best "free" teams in the world.

Steve

 

[duffistuta]

>>>Keep it open. Give an incentive to the promoters to do a bang-up job. I'm convinced that a minimum of 8 will register. If not, maybe one tournament will have 6 or 7<<<


I fimly believe that you - and also the Millennium - are underestimating most teams' desire to play in a new format, and also to mix it with the big boys. If you don't cap, I believe that you're going to have 30+ Euro teams going for this division. It will be bigger than Div. 1 and 2.

I'd put money on it if I had any.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by duffistuta
Unless the NXL has already said 'No new teams for 2004'...or at least no new teams from within Paintball currently.

Doesn't matter in the least. If the NXL succeeds as a media vehicle the league will expand--whether it's 2004 or beyond. Tell me that teams that opt now to go SupaLeague will get real consideration for inclusion to the NXL.
(Not a huge concern for Euro teams and no reason not to proceed with the S-League but certainly an issue for US teams.)

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
Don't think it's quite that simple, Sam, particularly on the US side of the proposed equation. In essence this new SupaLeague will be asking US teams to make a choice not only to be a part of the new league and commit to the travel etc. but it will also force them to make a choice against the NXL as the concept will be in direct competition with the NXL. And that doesn't seem to me to be a decision any US team is going to make without some very serious thought.

Seems to me that if I was an NPPL pro team and had to choose between the NXL and the inherent diffculty in getting into that as against the Superleague and it's potential for TV coverage (Fox Sports) then it don't take much serious thought at all....or am I missing something ?

 

[sjt19]

I agree Duffy, i think that etams woould give anything to play in the new league. Its where the focus will be at every event. I would imagine they would have one central field in the center of the event site, with bleachers on either side and thats whee all the suporters will be. who wouldnt want to play the best teams consistently over the season in front of all the spectators at each event. It will be the flagship exhibition of paintball. I would also imagine that the outcome of the other divisions will become largely irrelevant as people are increasingly drawn in to the superleague as the season progresses, increasing the desire for promotion, and the desire to play a format that actually matters.

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by duffistuta
>>>Keep it open. Give an incentive to the promoters to do a bang-up job. I'm convinced that a minimum of 8 will register. If not, maybe one tournament will have 6 or 7<<<


I fimly believe that you - and also the Millennium - are underestimating most teams' desire to play in a new format, and also to mix it with the big boys. If you don't cap, I believe that you're going to have 30+ Euro teams going for this division. It will be bigger than Div. 1 and 2.

I'd put money on it if I had any.

O.K. I had a moment of insanity there. I'll go back to my position of saying cap it at 16 teams. This will keep some exclusivity and give incentive to get the entries in early.

To answer Nick's objections, if the teams enter too late, then they can play Division 1 (that'll teach them!).

Steve