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Potentially great UK teams that never made it (To the top).

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Originally posted by Collier
Hi Pete,

Fair points by and large.

I guess the logical follow up question is what defines potential.
As Mark T says the Rushers were by in large held back by the funds, I know that was the case with Twisted.
If these teams had the resources then would they not have had the potential to do better then the results they achieved?
If my aunt had bollocks she'd be my uncle mate.
There are many different components to the machine that gets to the top with financing being one of them.
I'd like to believe there is an inter-relationship and one that suggests that if you didn't make it, then something was fundamentally missing from the set up and I'm not just talking about finances.
If you are good enough, or have sufficient potential then you will attract the necessary funds if you have the right mentality on board to capitalize upon that marketability.

When assessing whether or not certain teams make it or not, we ain't just talking about playing ability here tho it is an extremely important factor.

You have to look upon modern day top team development as a business and as such multi-disciplined approaches have to be adopted and if you got people holding your team back thru lack of ambition or expertise then these must be jettisoned if you want to get to the top.

The 'team' necessarily has to be viewed as a sum total of its parts and because of this, the 'team' is therefore responsible for each of its own members and is unable to be distinguished from its own members.

Unless you have all the team (players and coach) on the same page, then trust me, you ain't going nowhere.
You have to have talent, commitment, vision, marketability and then finance will naturally follow .... if it doesn't then one of the previous factors was missing or defective.
Success obviously helps but is just one factor amid a series of others that are considered.

Understand that lot and then perhaps we can understand what it takes to get a team to the top in the modern game.
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Well thinking bout it I can't argue them points, Twisted did indeed attract the means in the form of 'Evil Sharks'. Ultimatley money or lack off saw the end of it though for the ex-Twisted players.
 

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Originally posted by Collier
Well thinking bout it I can't argue them points, Twisted did indeed attract the means in the form of 'Evil Sharks'. Ultimatley money or lack off saw the end of it though for the ex-Twisted players.
however was that not personal finance? as a pose to industry finance? i know i came into it late but thats what i'd been told...
 

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Where are the Twisted players now?

I have always thought that a good indication of how much potential a folded team had is a recognition of where the players are now.
 

Collier

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Originally posted by sjt19
Where are the Twisted players now?

I have always thought that a good indication of how much potential a folded team had is a recognition of where the players are now.
Would that not depend firstly on why a team folded? If it folded due to costing too much it's still gonna cost too much whoever you play for (to a point, obviously there are exceptions).
Hoever, no-one plays anymore, Jim was in a car crash a year or so back, still recovering after snapping his collar bone, Lee and Si have played along with myself for Lincoln.
Lack of funds for the rest, oh and Rob is the other side of the world travelling.
 

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Also the thing with the Twisted boys was they wouldn't play with just anyone, if they didn't play with each other they wouldn't play, why'd you think no-one ever managed to 'poach' Jim?
 

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Originally posted by Collier
Would that not depend firstly on why a team folded?
No.

Originally posted by Collier
If it folded due to costing too much it's still gonna cost too much whoever you play for (to a point, obviously there are exceptions).
But if those players were good enough, then the teams with the finance would pick them up. Negating the personal cost issue.

Originally posted by Collier
Hoever, no-one plays anymore, Jim was in a car crash a year or so back, still recovering after snapping his collar bone, Lee and Si have played along with myself for Lincoln.
Lack of funds for the rest, oh and Rob is the other side of the world travelling.
One injury, granted, but the other 7 or 8 are not playing anymore? Going with what Robbo wrote, committment was obviously an issue.

I have no idea why nobody tried to poach jim. But if the guys would only play with each other, then surely they would still be? Its not expensive if you only play a local series, and stick at it. If the talent is there, then the backing will come
 

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They have all played pro at some point and could have been a brilliant pro team if they had understood the business side better or if one of them had owned a site/store.
 

Collier

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Originally posted by sjt19

1. But if those players were good enough, then the teams with the finance would pick them up. Negating the personal cost issue.

2. One injury, granted, but the other 7 or 8 are not playing anymore? Going with what Robbo wrote, committment was obviously an issue.

3. I have no idea why nobody tried to poach jim. But if the guys would only play with each other, then surely they would still be? Its not expensive if you only play a local series, and stick at it. If the talent is there, then the backing will come
Sorry to break it down baca style but I can't be arsed doing multiple quote tags.

1. No team is going to finance 6 players, aint gonna happen.
2. Not at all.
3. The point was people did try but failed because of the team bond.
"it's not expensive" is a very sweeping remark, not expensive according to whos wallet?? PA for example is £50 per player plus 12 cases of paint, plus training once a week. That's expensive!