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Possible end to the "Never Ending Debate."

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
It's Ok, X, pay no attention to that lot's grousing. You got something to post--go for it. After all, what do a handful of 20-somethings know anyway? And as for the rest of you--get a grip. You'd think X was questioning your manhood and callin' your dear sweet mama names besides.
However, once y'all calm down a bit I think you'll find a better conversation here than elsewhere.
 

Hotpoint

Pompey Paintballer
Originally posted by Baca Loco
It's Ok, X, pay no attention to that lot's grousing. You got something to post--go for it. After all, what do a handful of 20-somethings know anyway?
Who's telling him not to post? It's his reaction to criticism and inability to conceive he might be wrong that provoked a stern response.

Originally posted by Baca Loco

And as for the rest of you--get a grip. You'd think X was questioning your manhood and callin' your dear sweet mama names besides.
Do you really think his post was acceptable Baca? He could do with a lesson in humility whoever he is.

Originally posted by Baca Loco

However, once y'all calm down a bit I think you'll find a better conversation here than elsewhere.
Hey I'll bury the hatchet as soon as X starts to treat the rest of us with a bit more respect and doesn't automatically assume that anyone who doesn't agree with everything he says is either a newbie or full of crap. Lets face it that's exactly how he came accross

Peace
 

JoseDominguez

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Amen to that, and I'm not even going to get started on what's right and wrong in the post. I'm a Physics teacher for starters, so it could get mighty boring.

BTW, if you've been playing longer than I've had pubic hair then you're old enough to have started forgetting stuff mate.
 

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
Originally posted by Hotpoint
Who's telling him not to post? It's his reaction to criticism and inability to conceive he might be wrong that provoked a stern response.
Do you really think his post was acceptable Baca? He could do with a lesson in humility whoever he is.
Hey I'll bury the hatchet as soon as X starts to treat the rest of us with a bit more respect and doesn't automatically assume that anyone who doesn't agree with everything he says is either a newbie or full of crap. Lets face it that's exactly how he came accross

Peace
Jon,
Tut, tut. I was merely encouraging him to stick with it. Nor was I suggesting any of the respondees not respond, either. :)
As Your Humble Moder8or I'm not opposed to humility ;) but on the other hand I had no problem with either of his posts or any of the others. (You know I enjoy a bit of a dust up)
And respect gets earned--in both directions--and it isn't always pretty or friendly. :eek:
Relax and enjoy--and keep that hatchet sharp.

And to return to a proper topic I concur with Beak's original comment on bore size (also remarked on by Ray in Techroom version of this thread) and find it rather fascinating that one of the supposed advantages of "pro" teams in the early years is being discounted to some degree now.
Also, someone remarked on the operational stability of various marker platforms and that has always seemed to me to be of particular interest but little study.
 

Mark

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Originally posted by Baca Loco
It's Ok, X, pay no attention to that lot's grousing. You got something to post--go for it. After all, what do a handful of 20-somethings know anyway?
Baca I wish I was a 20's something...... :D

Max. there is 5 yrs between us two, might even be closer than that :D

Paintballer X came across as arrogant after starting out polite-ish, Think about it "normally" ill informed posters get attacked way way down the line not on their 2nd post..;) surely that tells you something...as an article for "joe paintballer" it has some merits but as a definative article not even close...too many holes and supasitions (sp?) and what happens when these shortcomings were pointed out? (and they were politely pointed out too). Tempers may fray from time to time but if a little research had been done first then the flames would only be a quick singe :rolleyes:

Oh and before I get sidetracked too much, yeah sure stick with the posts but don't stick your neck out by typing what you believe to be fact and then get annoyed when you are shown the errors in your findings (other forums may bow down in awe of a psuedo factual thesis...not here ;) )
 

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
Originally posted by Mark
Baca I wish I was a 20's something...... :D
Max. there is 5 yrs between us two, might even be closer than that :D
And you Brits claim a monopoly on irony.:rolleyes:

Perhaps one point I left out is how readily you all seem to take such things personally--as if X were callin' y'all out. If he's an idiot who cares what he thinks? And even if he's not what possibly difference can it make? None whatsoever is the correct answer. (Btw, X, I ain't calling you an idiot)
Remember, Americans take liberties and lack general courtesy. Not that you guys would accept such broad stereotyping. ;)
 

Mark

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Originally posted by Baca Loco
And you Brits claim a monopoly on irony.:rolleyes:

Perhaps one point I left out is how readily you all seem to take such things personally--as if X were callin' y'all out. If he's an idiot who cares what he thinks? And even if he's not what possibly difference can it make? None whatsoever is the correct answer. (Btw, X, I ain't calling you an idiot)
Remember, Americans take liberties and lack general courtesy. Not that you guys would accept such broad stereotyping. ;)
Hey we just understand irony a little better than others :D ;)
plus the ability to "rip" ourselves and in most cases not take ourselves that seriously.....we ain't taking a free kick at dog that has fallen over.......:(
Also we don't have to qualify things that much to avoid
misunderstanding...if someone is an idiot we say so (that is true plain speaking) wherever possible we try to be polite...just that some people don't even understand that......Robbo v Raehl remember ??
 

Beaker

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Having gone out (and won £60 at poker so I'm in a happy mood :) ) I've come back and re-read things and I still find his second post the problem.

As I tried to point out, I agree with him to a degree and think he does wrap up together some salient points in a simplistic arguement.

But I really have an issue with the tone of the article which is peppered with absolutes, not opinions or presented evidence upon which the arguements are based.

For instance:

The purpose of this article is to inform the masses that the latter is most certainly not true
hmm

The most important involves the match in barrel and paintball bore sizes. Even a slight disparity in this match can allow for a severe decrease in accuracy
some disagree, and have said why

Scientifically this is not the case, as any claim of one marker having a different trajectory than another is physically impossible
as Manike said - Tippman flatline anyone?

No matter what the situation, this assertion is always false, regardless of how much the instigator of this idea tries to explain science away. There really isn’t a great deal else to say about this fallacy. Simply know that any declaration of a marker having a different trajectory than another is invariably fictitious.
So it's wrong why? ....oh because it is

One myth that has stood the test of time is that longer barrels give a marker more distance and more accuracy. This is far from the truth, and the laws of physics state this in numerous places. One object emitted from a source at the same velocity and angle as another object, barring drag in the trajectory and elements such as wind and temperature, will go the same distance and have the same flight path (accuracy). Now, introducing drag into the equation, one can imply that the opposite of the idea abovementioned is true: the longer a barrel is, the less accuracy and the less distance can be expected. Through my own tests and the tests of such paintball greats as Tom Kaye, creator of the Automag, the findings are self-evident: the barrel only uses the first six to eight inches to accelerate, and the next two to four to correct itself before falling victim to drag, which in turn results in deceleration, which produces a larger arc, and finally results in less distance and accuracy at longer ranges.
This one is great - he contradicts himself with his own arguement.
If the ball is going at 300fps as it leaves the barrel will go the same distance as any other. The fact that it *may* have got up to 350fps then decelerated down to 300fps by the end of the barrel is irrelevant, if it leaves the barrel at 300fps it's the same.

Plus the second bit of the arguement ignores the fact that most barrels are stepped bore and the second part of the barrel (basically) doesn't touch the ball hence not creating any drag.

Blowback is essentially the leading origin of kick, or the lack thereof. Consequently, closed bolt markers will always have less kick than most open bolt markers
Again, we have politely pointed out some don't agree and provide examples of this.


I would like Mike to continue posting, but in a more relaxed attitude that is open to the debate he invited:

I (PaintballerX) am the one who wrote this, so I didn't just copy it off of a website; therefore, if you have any questions, feel free to ask.
We have been more than polite, up to the point that he resorted to losing his nut and making assumptions on the relative experience and knowledge of the posters here.
 
ROFLMAO, absoloutly hillarious, what rock did this nut bar crawl
out from beneath.
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further than either my Angel OR my Carter Mini Cocker!

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