Originally posted by manike
Pete, I also believe the Russian Legion to be a very clean team but I wonder how anyone can be so certain of their intentions?
This is a difficult one for me as I also have nothing but the largest respect for the Russian Legion and it took me a long time to word what I wanted to say in my report on www.warpig.com . And I know we talked about it over dinner but I feel it needs saying here also.
BUT...
At what point does or does not highly tuning a gun become deliberate cheating? What difference is there in setting up a gun to to shoot Full Auto in an electronic mode as compared to finely tuning a gun such that it can get trigger bounce and fire in what is most definitely FA under the rules? Both are deliberate actions (selecting FA or tuning the gun). Both are illegal. Both are cheating. Both get the same penalty as we saw with the Russian Legion.
We as players have a responsibility to use equipment that fits within the rules. If we don't know the rules we can not use ignorance as an arguement.
If a player is shooting a gun which fires in such a way he damn well knows it. Since he should know the rules, he damn well knows he is cheating. If he gets caught he accepts the penalty.
I don't think it is as bad as software cheating (not sure why but I think that to be sneakier and despicable), but I do think it is deliberate cheating. If he thinks it's just pushing the rules, then again as soon as it gets caught or is deamed to have gone too far then it becomes cheating. They paid the price and showed they still had ability but they didn't need to have guns so 'finely tuned' to do that anyway in my opinion.
manike
Simon, you also erroneously infer they cheated and yet neither of you (Canpap and yourself) have used a bit of common sense and this is an attribute that is needed most, in a case like this.
How the hell u can paradoxically believe they are clean and the next minute put forward an argument that suggests they cheat is beyond me.
Firstly, nobody and I mean nobody can know for sure whether it was intentional or not but you can say the following things:-
There may well have been a fault on these guns or rather a design weakness that when these guns are 'finely tuned' as you euphemistically put it, it enables the gun to fire, on occasion, at full auto.
Now if this is the case, it may or may not be apparent to the user as one of the guns was only found to be full auto, when the trigger was pulled hard over to the right and fired.
So, we have a problem of apportioning intent, that neither you nor me can say it was deliberate.
The next thing to look at, if we want to make a ‘valued’ judgement that is and not an ignorant one, is by assessing the overall character and behaviour of the team.
To this end, we have to look at how they conduct themselves on and off the field to try and gauge whether intentional cheating would be an extension of their existing behaviour.
Has anybody ever seen them cheat in any way, shape or form ?
The answer to that is NO, NO and NO again and yet you and Capnap ignore this, favouring the least common sense viewpoint of intentional cheating, leastwise that's what your post inferred.
Thirdly, the Russian Legion whilst playing in Germany, had a couple of guns pulled off the field and played men short after falling foul of this pre game checking, they knew what was in store with regard to the new regime and yet you try and tell me they ignored this in favour of intentionally setting up their guns to run full auto ?
You gotta be kiddin me and you also insult the good name of the Russians that they have tried over years of playing, to keep clean, and successfully so.
Instead of trying to make a cheap, quasi-sophisticated attack on a team who are models for us all, go after the real cheats of the game or would that be too hard for you ?
And you call yourself a reporter ?
Did ya ask Sergei what went down ?
Did you examine their guns ?
I would expect the answer to all three to be in the negative but you come on here spouting **** about them, you don’t even deserve to clean their barrels mate let alone accuse them of cheating.
Robbo
