PGI under attack !!
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1 nuke being dropped and 10 people infected with smallpox walking around a city or a couple of gallons of anthrax would have just the same devastating effects but without the crumbling buildings...Yes,giving him our weapons was wrong,but its such a tiny piece of the problem..On a smaller scale its like blaming the shootings on video games and music and every other thing you can find to attract attention away from the real problems...Those weapons would have found thier way to Saddam whether they came from us or not...If your hell bent on getting something,eventually your gonna get it...We just made it a little bit easier,and now were stuck in a situation in which we have to disarm him..Yep,partially our fault but at least we're trying to do something about it...And lets make it clear,that while the biological part might be out fault,his chemical weapons,which are the ones he's used in the past, are all on him...
I guess we'll never agree on this one...
I choose to ignore facts when they are only 1 part of a story..Its amazing but you are the 1 who chooses to ignore FACTS like Hizbollah launching rockets into Israel,bus bombings and a whole slew of things that lead up to those strikes..If your gonna make examples,just make sure to include whole stories..Do you even know why Israel was in Lebanon??You dont mention that at the time, Israel was at peace with Egypt and Jordan,and in the process with Syria and a whole slew of Middle Eastern nations..Theres more than what you wrote and that is what I ultimately have the problem with...
Then you explain to me,WHY,when the Palestinians were offered 95% of what they were asking for by Israel, did Yassar Arafat walk away from it....Keep blaming Israel but when the Palestinians had a chance for thier own state,they walked away from it and once again choose the path of terror as thier way of getting things done...I just find that Israel has made more concerted efforts to attain peace than Arafat has and until militants and terror are reigned in by the Palestinian Authority,I dont see any type of solution on the foreseeable future...
Name me 1 country with these weapons who has invaded and threatened more countries than Iraq has in the past 20 years..And dont even think about saying the U.S.
And dont fool yourself into thinking that I dont want all regimes dealt with swifly and justly..I mentioned that somehwere in this thread but you must have missed it...Please...I find a big difference between men that strap bombs to themselves and kill innocent civilians on purpose,than innocent civilians who get killed in military strikes by mistake..Its obvious you dont...So yes,I dont consider Governments, terrorist organizations...But at least we agree the Palestinian issue need to be resolved,just on different terms is where we dont see eye to eye..Fair enough...
That didnt come out like I wanted it to but it still doesnt explain why 100,000 people dont march against Saddams treatment of his people,the Talibans ungodly treatment of women before thier ouster,North Korea,and Arafats continued support of terror...Now while you might want these issue resolved you seem to show so much more effort and support in protesting U.S. policy than issues you can actually make a difference on but it never happens..Its when the U.S. decides to face these problems that all the protesting starts and not before which I find disturbing IMHO..
Nah,you take the easy way out to blame us as usual..When countries like France,who have have resisted our power since WW2 when our cold war aims clashed with thier interest in reasserting thier colonial claims, constantly resist just because they can,in my eyes they are worthless..And I find it amazing that U.N. nations want so many benifits without taking any risks...And Libya as head of the Human Rights Commision,and Iraq as Chairman on the Commison Of Disarmament doesnt say much about the U.N...But maybe you see it differently...
Its just that im offended by weak minded people who run when hard choices are laid out before them..If your not with us fine,but countries shouldnt expect to reap the rewards when its all said and done...
Which tells me that the goverment and 20% of your population are the only ones with a clue to whats going on around them...And dont say anti-war because we know the people are only anti-war if its only the U.S. and U.K. going in but pro-war if its U.N. backed...So just say anti-America until the U.N. joins in...Strange way of thinking if ya ask me....And check your numbers again...U.S. favor for military action is now at 77%,a pretty strong number if you ask me...
I erased one of the things i wanted to leave up about resolving the Palestinian issue and heres my response...What has the Palestinian Authority,in the last 8 years done to make peace a reality for thier people??
The problem is that the Palestinian authority doesn't have any control over groups like the Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and all the other groups. You can't hold them responsible for the actions of these groups, and that is what Israel is doing.
If I decide to blow up some Americans, you can't hold the Dutch government responsible for my actions.
If I decide to blow up some Americans, you can't hold the Dutch government responsible for my actions.
dont say that you never know who could be reading this......yourll wake up in the night with an MP5 pointed at ur head
yes they can.....thats america your talking about....not some two-bit "play by the rules" country........america is the rules
and if you do something wrong then they will take their ball and wont play anymore
and if you do something wrong then they will take their ball and wont play anymore
How is this different from Sparklie's cookies?
C'mon geezers, if P8 is the UN, then you two are Blair and Dubya.
Save it for email, eh?
C'mon geezers, if P8 is the UN, then you two are Blair and Dubya.
Save it for email, eh?
Which solidifies my statement that Yassar Arafat has no control and until he's gone peace looks to be a long way off..And you cant believe that he cant round them up,can you..He has more control than we know,but his inaction to even try to reign in terror only leads me to believe hes part of it...
Wanna bet..
Our lawyers would figure something out...But if your govermment does absolutely nothing to try and stop you from operating in Holland and it happens on a continual basis,then they are just as much to blame as the rest....Remember that Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade has close ties to Arafat and if he cant reel even them in then i fear all hope is lost for a peace process at this time..
Originally posted by Buddha 3
I'm just happy I live in a country nobody can find...
I resent that comment.....We know Hollands right there on the continent of Asia,right next to Argentina so hah....
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It's only one thread for starters. It has been basically a civilized debate and the rule of thumb for SYB was allowing some leeway for the odd non-PB thread.
Besides, it's all Duffy's fault!
So, R, where ya been? Spent the long winter in the root cellar (as they'd say in the Midwest)?
1 nuke being dropped and 10 people infected with smallpox walking around a city or a couple of gallons of anthrax would have just the same devastating effects but without the crumbling buildings...Yes,giving him our weapons was wrong,but its such a tiny piece of the problem..On a smaller scale its like blaming the shootings on video games and music and every other thing you can find to attract attention away from the real problems...Those weapons would have found thier way to Saddam whether they came from us or not... (headrock)
Just out of interest: 1 nuke will kill thousands, anthrax requires direct contagion from the purified media (exposure to the powder), it's difficult to produce in a "weapon" form and it's not transmitted person to person. Smallpox is nasty and communicable, but easy to control in a developed country as it's easy to spot, also it's only communicable whilst the blisters are developing. So, no the three aren't the same. I'll take my chances with anthrax thanks, as most cases are dermatological and just give you a rash. Skin problems aren't a big issue when you've evaporated by a nuke, it tends to be in a pool at your feet.
As for your "giving him the weapons was wrong" being "like blaming the shootings on video games and music" no, it's nothing like that, it's more like blaming a black-market gun dealer for providing an unbalanced school-kid with a 9mm. I mean, was Saddam OK back then? did he have a personal problem in 1990 that made him a bad man? Or did he lie on his "fitness to own a fire-arm" application.
and "...Those weapons would have found their way to Saddam whether they came from us or not... "
Superb logic, he's a nutter, sell him some guns, 'cos he'll just get them somewhere else otherwise.
Marvelous, I'm sure that will be a consolation to the families of anyone shot with them.
However, we do know he is hiding weapons of mass destruction, as we sold him them. He should do like we do and wave them about a bit.
Just out of interest: 1 nuke will kill thousands, anthrax requires direct contagion from the purified media (exposure to the powder), it's difficult to produce in a "weapon" form and it's not transmitted person to person. Smallpox is nasty and communicable, but easy to control in a developed country as it's easy to spot, also it's only communicable whilst the blisters are developing. So, no the three aren't the same. I'll take my chances with anthrax thanks, as most cases are dermatological and just give you a rash. Skin problems aren't a big issue when you've evaporated by a nuke, it tends to be in a pool at your feet.
As for your "giving him the weapons was wrong" being "like blaming the shootings on video games and music" no, it's nothing like that, it's more like blaming a black-market gun dealer for providing an unbalanced school-kid with a 9mm. I mean, was Saddam OK back then? did he have a personal problem in 1990 that made him a bad man? Or did he lie on his "fitness to own a fire-arm" application.
and "...Those weapons would have found their way to Saddam whether they came from us or not... "
Superb logic, he's a nutter, sell him some guns, 'cos he'll just get them somewhere else otherwise.
Marvelous, I'm sure that will be a consolation to the families of anyone shot with them.
However, we do know he is hiding weapons of mass destruction, as we sold him them. He should do like we do and wave them about a bit.