Paintball on next 'SAS desert'

[Skeet]

Seph mate...I allready have the only woman (in my point of view) who is worth trading for an Accuracy International AW mate!
Even for a go on one!!!!
Such a nice bit of kit its unreal...yummy...good enuf for the SAS its good enuf for me, thats why i got one...

 

[H]

We've had guys from the military play at our site (Skirmish Notts) and they are no where near as good as people would think. True, they usually have a lot going on with team work and moving togther but they are normally far to cautious when it comes to moving. What makes good players in rental ball is usually just somone who has the balls to go for it and take advantage of everyone else cowering in the bushes.

 

[Skeet]

As I said..lumps of lead and lumps of paint...to very differnt things to train for...mad bunker run..worst that will happen, is you get shot to ****, trip over break your ankel, your goggles fall off then you get shot in both eyes....
Run into a room full of machine gun toting mofo's, worst that will happen is you get shot to ****, your limbs are cut off by ribbons of hot metal and you dont get shot in the head or the heart, so you lay, paraplegic on the deck until you bleed to death or the mofo's torture you till your dead...

So not a good test of either groups skills really, unless of course after the balling is done, the ballers take part in a live fire exercise against the SAS, as they would do it ( no I dont mean shooting each other )....room full of scary MOFO's...nasty..

 

[ChiZZerS]

if we send paintballers to war.. we would do rash moovements

running right up to the enimy!

bunkering them... and getting coverd in brains and bits of dead
people and stuff!

we would basicly win a fight....
think about it... if SAS guys are not gonna moove...
we could use it to our advantage!

it would be mint!

 

[Skeet]

Tell you what...even if you were in a hostage situation, and the SAS came in to RESCUE you....you would poo your pants, and probably get hurt...they do not muck about in the slightest, all they know is your a person in a room, potentially one of the enemy, so you all get treated the same...wrong move..your dead..

 

[Aten-Re]

I am with Skeet on this, I know of someone with an M16A1 Assualt Rifle thats had its firing pin re-fitted, its not for the faint hearted, it weight about 5Kg and is not shoulder friendly, not to mention they have a muzzle velocity of over 2000fps, and are lethal upto 350m (thats killing distance) Thats why your SAS chums at paintball dont move, move and you are very quickly swiss cheese. Comparing paintball to a real combat situation is like saying I saw Jackie Chan playing Tekken 3, he wasnt very good. Well why dont you give him a slap and see what happens, you would quickly find that your leg bone is not alway connected to your shin bone.

 

[Skeet]

Thats a cool reply, I like that...very good..." Your leg bone is not always connected to yuor shin bone.." classic!
I seem to be givoing lessons on Psychology and weapons tonight...
Am I right in saying that that the M16 A1 is a .223 /5.56mm...?
I think thats what they all use now...high velocity round, more maim than kill, what with all this "no you cant shoot them with a .308, coz if it goes in here it can come out here, and they suffer a long agonising death...better to just maim them and have their mates carry them home..." Business...tho it makes sense!

 

[mikeyR]

Ok,

The Real Action Markers are made by this company http://www.asiapaintball.com/ and are used to train police forces and military units all over the world. The SAS dont use them in real life!!

ALL real guns have recoil, so stop arguing the point, just accept that different guns will react differently when fired. The M16 fires a 5.56mm bullet, the AK47 a 7.62mm bullet. The force needed to fire those bullets will be different bcause of their size. Therefore an M16 can look like its not recoiling while the AK47 will recoil noticeably more.

The reason the M16 fires 5.56mm bullets is a weight issue not a 'damage to enemy' issue. 5.56mm will kill you and it will pass through you so collateral damage is not an issue. The US and in turn NATO came to the conclusion that 5.56mm would still do the job but the soldiers could carry more ammo overall because of the weight difference to 7.62mm. The British Army were still using a 7.62mm round into the 80's in the SLR but under pressure had to change to 5.56mm. So instead of buying the M16, a proven weapon, they built the SA80. This way they safeguarded British jobs but built a piece of sh!t in the process. Dont you love politicians!

As for sending Paintballers to war, if they weren't trained properly they would die, end of story. If they were trained properly they would then be soldiers so the whole 'what if..' goes out the window.

 

[joe bob]

i think(?) that m16s have a nice long spring goin through the majoraty of the butstock to help absorb more of the recoil

 

[John C]

Ive used almost every paintball gun there is but I've only shot a 4-10 Shotgun (small scale bolt action).

All I can say is if I shouldered it in the same way as a pb gun it would knock me clean over.

If I bent my back to do a snapshot, in the same way as I do with a paintball gun then I would be in a wheelchair for life with a broken spine.

And if i tried to run and shoot, superman or knee slilde I think it would end up in me being dead.

So really the skill sets are completely different.

I read about a new rifle which the whole internal, mechanism can move back in the body. This could completely counteract the recoil of the gun, sounds like pretty futuristic stuff though.

Oh and the SAS dont feck about, on a paintball field most teams would rip them apart but in real life im glad there on my side.