NPPL bps Cap Revisited...

[Manning26]

Okay, people, any of you who has paid any kind of attention to the upper-echelons of play this season in the NPPL will have noticed a lot (a whole frikkin' lot) of guns that are most definitely not legal. This isn't a hush-hush, super secret thing any longer; this has become a brazen, obvious, breaking of the rules kind of thing. Sure, Opie and Dynasty Dynamics took the big hit in Tampa, but, in fairness there should have been many more players and teams suffering the same fate... although I suppose that too would've just leveled the playing field as everyone would've just started in the hole and we would've simply had a nice 3-man tournament to finish things out.

This once more comes down to consistency, either hold everyone to the same standard, or get rid of the rule entirely. As everyone else is coming around to capped bps- what is holding the NPPL back?

 

[Chicago]

NPPL decision making tree:

- Did PSP do it first?
- Do anything else.

PSP decision making tree:

- Did NPPL do it first?
- Steal it.


Paintball needs standardized, verifiable gun chips. That's the only solution - the bps limit may be an improvement in enforcability, but it's still not uniformly enforcable.

 

[Manning26]

Originally posted by Chicago
NPPL decision making tree:

- Did PSP do it first?
- Do anything else.

PSP decision making tree:

- Did NPPL do it first?
- Steal it.

An interesting theory.

Originally posted by Chicago
Paintball needs standardized, verifiable gun chips. That's the only solution - the bps limit may be an improvement in enforcability, but it's still not uniformly enforcable.

Forgive my ignorance, you aren't the only person I've heard bring this up recently, but what's wrong with monitoring the guns bps with the sound boxes they use in the NXL?

 

[Red_Merkin]

Funny, someone representing the NPPL was on here the other day slating the NXL's attempts to curb ramping guns past 15bps


Still if they don't see the problem, maybe it dosn't exist

 

[TJ Lambini]

At tha risk of repeating myself for tha gazzillionth (yes, it's a word - look it up) time, uncapped FA is tha only logical conclusion and field design, rules and safety equipment will evolve in order to accomodate it....why everyone keeps fighting tha inevitable is beyond me.

 

[Beaker]

The NPPL will not give in while it can still catch the odd high profile case and hold it up evidence of their policy. They risk being too pig headed about it though from the problems that Tampa seems have had.

Tampa also seems to have had the largest share of reffing complaints of an NPPL for some time - was that born out by those of you that were there?

 

[Furby]

I've refrained long enough, I guess...so here I go:

I was at the Tampa NPPL all weekend, and watched a fair share of games. I think Manning's observations are somewhat skewed...not by any fault of his own, but I do think he's a bit off base.

I've maintained that shooting fast is a learned skill, and Tampa was an illustration of the degradation in that skill here locally.

Why, you ask? Well, since you asked, I suppose I'll answer. The majority of the teams here in FL play in tournaments that allow the PSP ramping...it's amazing how quickly you can lose the knack to do the shooting on your own once you get used to the gun doing the work for you. It was really easy to tell which teams were NPPL regulars and which were local teams giving the NPPL a try.

As for the Chainsaws, I know LaSoya was throwing some serious ropes all weekend long...and he had to face the robot at least once that I know of. I also saw one dirty ref trick that I liked too...after the 10 second countdown started, the refs stopped it, ordered the players to put their guns down and walk away from them. They then proceeded to rip on every gun on the field, and none were found to be questionable.

Was there some gun cheating going on? I'm guessing yes, there probably was. Is that sort of thing going to go away, even with the new and improved Robo-Ref? Likely not. But imposing caps doesn't seem to me to be the right answer to the question...

Let the flames begin!

 

[TJ Lambini]

Originally posted by Furby
I've refrained long enough, I guess...so here I go:


I also saw one dirty ref trick that I liked too...after the 10 second countdown started, the refs stopped it, ordered the players to put their guns down and walk away from them. They then proceeded to rip on every gun on the field, and none were found to be questionable.

Aww, come on Furbs - my senile grandma knows how to get her FA gat around that lil ruse...tests like that only catch idiots.

If you get caught in such a dumb manner then you deserve to be banned from life, not just tha tournament.

 

[Beaker]

Indeed, one of the most popular "alternative" chips deactivates on any button press or holding the trigger down for 2 seconds, plenty of time to do the good old "huh, what's that judge? what do mean stop, oh right put my gun down, gotcha - there you go test away my friend"

And that's not counting the more "bespoke" programming some guns have.

 

[Furby]

Forgive my ignorance on the methodologies and technologies behind the latest gun cheats....not something I indulge in, you know.

Given the level of attention LaSoya and Connell from Infamous were getting from the refs this past weekend it'd have to be a fairly sophisticated cheat to survive all the scrutiny they were getting.

I overheard several conversations alleging that LaSoya was using the reed switch/magnet in the glove trick...but that one's so old and played out I've heard of it, so who knows.