not again, again

[rancid]

Chris is right, Pete shouldn't have gone on the pitch. I think he probably knew that after the first step, and he knew what the consequences of that would be. But... does it need Chris to glory in this? Of course not.

Stevie D put a slant on it that was top notch.

Let's hope this thread isn't just another opportunity for Chris and Mr D to lock weinies at a fraction of a pace.

 

[raehl]

Glory... bah.

There's no glory in this. Stuff like this pisses me off in general. I'm not so worked up about it at this point because it was Pete, I'm worked up about it because people are actually trying to say that it was somehow OK. We're never going to get anywhere if people keep coming up with excuses everytime something like this happens.

In increasing order of importance:

- It is not OK for a coach to enter the field of play because they don't like the call.
- It is not OK for a coach to enter the field of play because they don't like the call, ESPECIALLY if said coach is a league official.
- It is not OK for a team who had 5 players break someone's ribs on the field of play on Friday to still be playing on Saturday.


And I honestly don't see how anyone can think otherwise.


- Chris

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by raehl
Sit your ass on the sideline and take it, like any other coach in any other league who doesn't want to face big penalties for being out of line. No other team has the benefit of being able to send a rules committee member on-field when they don't like what the refs are doing, and Nexus shouldn't either.

So if you are willing to face those penalties it's okay? Sounds a lot like what Pete did....

Seems you have your head so firmly wedged upi your own behind that you see everything that is not in full agreement with you, as against you. I never said that I think Pete should have done what he (allegedly) did.
But a coach that is just gonna sit there and take it up his ass, is a loser, and has no business coaching in the big leagues.
That analogy you make to other leagues holds no water. I know from firsthand experience what coaches will do, so don't feed me that party line. They interfere with the reffing like you wouldn't believe.

Originally posted by raehl

1) A cameraman is not a player. Whether someone has proper press credentials or not is a league staff issue.
2) As I recall, Lane was reffing that game, although I'm not sure.
3) Lane wasn't there as a team coach.
4) Lane *DOES* act as the ultimate ref at PSP events, even though he should not.

Yes, there needed to be a better procedure in place to control who was on the field doing press activity, and yes, Lane needs to get out of the business of acting as ultimate. But the two situations are not in any way comparable.

As far as I know Lane wasn't reffing, but like you I ain't certain. If he wasn't, he had as much business being on the field as Pete did. So it would be comparable if that were the case. But since we ain't sure, let's let that one rest. (Although I feel Lane did the right thing)

Originally posted by raehl

Official from who? Why should we believe whoever this "official" scoop comes from anymore than the numerous other accounts of the event from people who have far less bias than the involved parties?

How about an official NPPL statement? Or at least a good number of eyewitness accounts that say the same thing as one another.
Right now all we have is conflicting reports on paintball websites.
What you are doing is condemning someone's action without knowing the full story. Guilty until proven innocent. I know you and Pete have very little love for eachother, but at least have the damn courtesy to give someone the benefit of the doubt until the full story is known. If Pete comes on here saying he was wrong, or when the official stance of the NPPL is known, you have my full blessing to start chargrilling him.

Originally posted by raehl

I'll say when I think soemone did something wrong when I bloody well feel like it, thank you. You're welcome to disagree.


- Chris

Oh thank you that as a moderator of this site I am blessed with your permission to disagree....I see your arrogance still knows no bounds.
Listen buddy-me-lad, until this whole thing is more than just speculation, you better watch how you say things. It's okay to say "if such and such happened, then I think he was way out of line", but you have condemned someone to the gallows before even hearing the case. And that's what I have a problem with.

 

[Buddha 3]

Glory... bah.

Originally posted by raehl


In increasing order of importance:

- It is not OK for a coach to enter the field of play because they don't like the call.
- It is not OK for a coach to enter the field of play because they don't like the call, ESPECIALLY if said coach is a league official.
- It is not OK for a team who had 5 players break someone's ribs on the field of play on Friday to still be playing on Saturday.


And I honestly don't see how anyone can think otherwise.


- Chris

For the record, I agree with this. Like I said in my previous post, I never said it was okay what he allegedly did. But so far we don't know what happened, so for now, let's leave the hangman at home.

 

[SteveD]

OK. So we're all supposed to be perfect and never make a mistake in anything because otherwise the hindsight police are gonna arrest us.

I had some "good" info, from reliable sources, that I thought provided a little more insight into this matter. I figured I'd post it.

I CLEARLY identified it as 'second hand'.

I also CLEARLY stated what my personal opinion was - and there's no such thing as a 'slant' on personal opinion.

***

Mr. High-n-Mighty can spout all he wants to - just like always - but having been in situations similar to Pete's and Lane's, I can tell you that the primary concern is to end the problem FIRST and then deal with the consequences.

As for him being a rules committee person and having no business on the field - I seem to recall historical instances in which promoters were making off field calls, refs telling an agitated crowd to shut up - while they clearly ignored blatant cheating, bench emptiers while all the 'officials stood around and cheered the fight on and all the other variations on the theme you can imagine.

This is not the first time that a series official has intervened on the field, for both good and bad reasons.

Its not the end of the tournament world - as some would have us believe.

If Pete intervened with the intention of stopping a bad situation from getting worse - all the more power to him for stepping up, knowing full well that he would be facing the kind of crap I've been reading here, and still going ahead and doing it.

Some people have balls, while others only have weenies...

 

[SteveD]

NEWS UPDATE:

I spoke to my source not 15 minutes ago (6:45 est) who met with Pete late this afternoon and they had the following to say:

"Everything is on videotape and anyone watching the tape will be able to clearly see that Pete did nothing wrong."

That sure makes things interesting, doesn't it?

 

[PaintballChannel]

As for him being a rules committee person and having no business on the field - I seem to recall historical instances in which promoters were making off field calls, refs telling an agitated crowd to shut up - while they clearly ignored blatant cheating, bench emptiers while all the 'officials stood around and cheered the fight on and all the other variations on the theme you can imagine.

Yes. This has happened in the past, and continues to happen, and is wrong. But because Joe Schmoe did it yesterday doen't make it right for John Doe to do it today.

It's clear that the problem does not lie in Robbo or Lane or Chuck or anyone on the field. The problem is in the regulations (or lack thereof) and the penalties involved (or lack thereof). Until someone sits down and says "Ok, we need to straighten this **** out", this stuff will continue to go on.

To quote one league owner when asked about penalties and fines, "I own the league, the money will only come back to me."

This is not the first time that a series official has intervened on the field, for both good and bad reasons.

Nor will it be the last...until the sport as a whole decides to do something.

Its not the end of the tournament world - as some would have us believe.

No, but it can set us back when we were doing so well at going forward. This situation can affect the deal with Fox or DCP and can affect future deals as well. You have to look at the ramifications of what this situation will do to the future of the sport.

If Pete intervened with the intention of stopping a bad situation from getting worse - all the more power to him for stepping up, knowing full well that he would be facing the kind of crap I've been reading here, and still going ahead and doing it.

Yes, but as an Official of the NPPL it doesnt look good. It's kind of like the Commissioner of the NFL running onto the field to stop a fight. He would never do that. That's what the refs are for. Top that off with the fact that he's involved with the team that was on the other end of the field only makes things look worse in the peoples eye.

Why he did it, we wont know till he tells us. But, the jury is in the people, they will decide whether he's innocent or not - even if he may be innocent.

Perhaps after this season the sport as a whole, regardless of whether it's the NPPL or PSP or NEPL or USPL or NXL or whatever, will sit down and say "Ok, we ALL need to do this for the future of the sport...not just for our own personal gains" and make changes.

Til then, this stuff will go on.

 

[PaintballChannel]

NEWS UPDATE:

Originally posted by SteveD
I spoke to my source not 15 minutes ago (6:45 est) who met with Pete late this afternoon and they had the following to say:

"Everything is on videotape and anyone watching the tape will be able to clearly see that Pete did nothing wrong."

That sure makes things interesting, doesn't it?

Let's see how quickly that video gets leaked to the net...heh.

 

[sykesg]

again we haven't heard this from pete or rage but .........

if I were marshaling and rage ignored me or another of the ref's on the field I would have a one for one bonanza, they could of refused to leave the game all they like but arm bands is where it's at. If they ain't got one then every time they fire their marker/talk then their buddies are going to.

sounds like decent marshaling could of avoided the whole situation.

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by sykesg

sounds like decent marshaling could of avoided the whole situation.

Amen! I wholeheartedly agree with this.
Reports seem to indicate a lot of players playing on with obvious hits, without any penalties...