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SteveD

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This just in from Commander's Cup:

Please note that the following information is 'second hand', although it does come from reliable sources.

The explanation of the Pete Robinson - Rage affair goes as follows:

A Rage player refused to exit the field after being hit, and after additional requests and demands from game officials to leave, not to mention additional hits.

Pete was watching the game and, as characterized to me, was at least operating partially in his capacity as an official of NPPL/rules committee.

Pete borrowed a pair of goggles, entered the field and assisted the referee in trying to remove the offending player from the field and into the dead box; this was characterized as 'with some resistance'.

In the meantime, other Rage players began shooting Pete, which he basically ignored. Upon reaching the dead box, the Rage players dropped their guns and the physical altercation began.

Assuming that the foregoing is essentially correct (and I do not necessarily characterize it as being so), the only real question would be: was Pete acting in an official capacity or not?

Even if he wasn't, I can certainly understand someone of Pete's character, with the love he has for this game, not being able to stand by while blatant cheating and ref baiting was going on. I also can't imagine Pete being motivated to take such action for anything less than blatant disregard for the rules of conduct.
 

PaintballChannel

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Sad part is, they'll get hit with a small fine and a slap on the wrist (if that at all) and will be back on the field next week.

Well, minus any charges that Robbo may want to file against them.

I hope all is ok with Robbo.
 
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raehl

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No, it doesn't put the situation in a better light at all - even if this were the actual sequence of events, I 100% stand by my comments of yesterday (which I made fully aware that this sequence of events may be possible - or at least told by people trying to defend Pete.) You're trying to argue that because Pete is on the Rules Committee that it's ok for him to enter the field of play during a game, and that is complete bollucks.

Pete should not have been on the field, period. Being on the Rules Committee doesn't give you any on-field authority, it's especially bad judgement to try and claim it in a game a team you are coaching is playing, especially against a team who apparently already has no love lost for your team. Like it or not, Pete's actions were both wrong and essential for the situation to develop.

If you're endorsing Pete's actions as either "official" or "correct" you're saying that Rules Committee members should be able to grab goggles and jump on the field whenever they think something isn't going the right way and try and make it go the way they think it should. This is bad practice.

How many other games during the tournament did he grab goggles and step on the field to escort a player who was resisting a trip to the deadbox back to the deadbox? None? And why? BECAUSE IT WAS NOT HIS JOB. Pete was on that field for one reason and one reson only: To serve his own/team's SELF INTEREST. Sugarcoat it how you want, Pete was acting for Pete and Nexus, and Pete would not have been on the field if it wasn't Nexus playing. At best, even if he WAS somehow acting in an official policy, Pete is using his official standing for his own team's benefit.


I agree that props go to Nexus for not escalating the situation. And I do believe that while Pete's actions were obviously wrong, and certainly not becoming someone who pays so much lip service towards improving the sport, the actions of the Rage players were far more despicable. It's one thing to lose your head and abuse your position, it's another thing to be breaking bones, and it's a tragedy if Rage is even on the field of play today. This mentality in national-level paintball that players get slaps on the wrists for massively poor behavior needs to change, because if it doesn't, it might be you who gets the beat-down on the field next time.


- Chris
 

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How do we know rage weren't taking the piss?!? i.e. staying on and arguing and not even bothering with the ref at all?

Why shouldn't the rules commitee ppl go on field if they see **** going down? Backing up refs is what oragnisational side of things people should do. I agree that it was possibly bad judgement but if it was another member of the rules committie would the smae thing of happened? i don't think so. i'm with robbo here...he did the right thing in my opinon. a little silly but hey, he's brit :D
 

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Pete should not have been on the field, period. Being on the Rules Committee doesn't give you any on-field authority, it's especially bad judgement to try and claim it in a game a team you are coaching is playing, especially against a team who apparently already has no love lost for your team. Like it or not, Pete's actions were both wrong and essential for the situation to develop.
I agree. As an official in the NPPL, he defenitely should not have been on the field. I see him resigning or being taken off the NPPL Committee as soon as the dust clears.
 
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raehl

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Originally posted by Mario
Why shouldn't the rules commitee ppl go on field if they see **** going down?
Because they're not involved in the officiating. The refs are not responsible to them, and they're not responsible to the Ultimate. A rules committee member's job is to WRITE RULES. Trying to get involved on-field merely further undermines the authority of the refs.

And especially in this case, because the particular rules official was the coach of a team that was playing - no matter what Pete did once he got on that field, it would be the wrong decision - either he's favoring Nexus because it's his team, or he's being especially hard on Nexus to avoid looking like he's favoring his team. It's a lose-lose situation that can only be avoided by not entering the field of play in the first place.

Let the refs who are charged with officiating deal with the situation. If they're not deaing with situations like this effectively, they should be given instruction on what penalties they should be issuing so teams stop behaving in that manner, and the rules should possibly be rewritten to increase penalties for such behavior.


- Chris
 

Buddha 3

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Chris,

Seems like you know everything, so please tell me what a person should do when the refs ain't handling the situation, plus they have no power to do anything serious afterwards? (as is the situation at the moment...) What is one supposed to do when it appears your team is getting one up the ass? Tell me that.

Also, what you're saying is that Lane W. was wrong for trying to get that cameraman off the field at WC. Is that how you feel?

Anyway, the next person coming on here saying he/she/it is wrong for doing this or that can expect a swift kick up the ass, because we are all just guessing. None of us were there, so until we get an official scoop, less of the judgemental stuff. Thanks.
 
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raehl

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Originally posted by Buddha 3
Seems like you know everything, so please tell me what a person should do when the refs ain't handling the situation, plus they have no power to do anything serious afterwards? (as is the situation at the moment...) What is one supposed to do when it appears your team is getting one up the ass? Tell me that.
Sit your ass on the sideline and take it, like any other coach in any other league who doesn't want to face big penalties for being out of line. No other team has the benefit of being able to send a rules committee member on-field when they don't like what the refs are doing, and Nexus shouldn't either.

Also, what you're saying is that Lane W. was wrong for trying to get that cameraman off the field at WC. Is that how you feel?
1) A cameraman is not a player. Whether someone has proper press credentials or not is a league staff issue.
2) As I recall, Lane was reffing that game, although I'm not sure.
3) Lane wasn't there as a team coach.
4) Lane *DOES* act as the ultimate ref at PSP events, even though he should not.

Yes, there needed to be a better procedure in place to control who was on the field doing press activity, and yes, Lane needs to get out of the business of acting as ultimate. But the two situations are not in any way comparable.

Anyway, the next person coming on here saying he/she/it is wrong for doing this or that can expect a swift kick up the ass, because we are all just guessing. None of us were there, so until we get an official scoop, less of the judgemental stuff. Thanks.
Official from who? Why should we believe whoever this "official" scoop comes from anymore than the numerous other accounts of the event from people who have far less bias than the involved parties?

I'll say when I think soemone did something wrong when I bloody well feel like it, thank you. You're welcome to disagree.


- Chris