New ramp limit !

[gfresh666]

World Cup Smart Parts Field

Baca,
I have no qualms in saying that fields 1&2 in the NPPL were very much cast in the X-Ball mold. I am not per se against X-Ball, I've played it and enjoyed it ( haven't we been over this already? ) , but the fields vary very little, much to many players' dismay. At the same time, some NPPL fields in San Diego and OC were very different, and unconventional, but only if you started playing tournaments after 2002. NO one seemed to complain about those fields. I'm not saying that we need to completely reverse field design, but our layout spectrum should be a bit wider than X in the middle, snake on tape A, five doritos down tape B, and sprinkle some fingers in the middle!

The Smart parts field in I think 1999 at the old site had a great feature in the middle it was the Cross Hair bunker with a cross that could be played from 4 sides and then around it 4 half circles that were shoulder height that was a unconvental field ! May be I will talk billy into building it again!

 

[Baca Loco]

Baca,
I have no qualms in saying that fields 1&2 in the NPPL were very much cast in the X-Ball mold. I am not per se against X-Ball, I've played it and enjoyed it ( haven't we been over this already? ) , but the fields vary very little, much to many players' dismay. At the same time, some NPPL fields in San Diego and OC were very different, and unconventional, but only if you started playing tournaments after 2002. NO one seemed to complain about those fields. I'm not saying that we need to completely reverse field design, but our layout spectrum should be a bit wider than X in the middle, snake on tape A, five doritos down tape B, and sprinkle some fingers in the middle!

It just seemed to me, and still does, that you are assigning the "blame" for the current design tendencies on Xball's table which is in, er, error, I think.
It is, on the other hand, plainly true that we see less creativity and versatility in field design but I think that's more a function of fewer peeps being responsible for the majority of MLT field designs and of the fields themselves. We now have an industry that has sprung up around providing NPPL and Xball fields. For everyone paying 6K for a field I'm sure the notion that you're need new shapes or more of some of the ones you've already got at the whim of some one time field designer isn't a happy one. And it's also clear that significant numbers of players, used to certain norms, don't necessarily like unusual change.

Oh, G, I remember that field. Interesting tactically to play but that I thought it played a bit defensively--but I could be recalling it incorrectly.

 

[SPHEREPOINT]

I distinctly remember that field- complete with the gravel road down the center! It was very defensive, and it was more like 2002, because we washed it off in the dunk booth after the event, and I was staff at the time.

Baca,
I'm not blaming X-Ball in and of itself, but its introduction has accelerated the decay of field creativity and variety. Many field setups could be made from both NPPL and X-Ball setups, but people are not experimenting with them because they have become complacent and rates of fire are helping to force that complacency. I can't think of anybody that has seriously tried to lay the X down or put the fingers all down one tape. Why? Because with ramping guns and without all that stuff blocking out the lanes, people would get totally mowed in virtually every instance. Slow it down a little and maybe other things can change too.

 

[Baca Loco]

I distinctly remember that field- complete with the gravel road down the center! It was very defensive, and it was more like 2002, because we washed it off in the dunk booth after the event, and I was staff at the time.

Baca,
I'm not blaming X-Ball in and of itself, but its introduction has accelerated the decay of field creativity and variety. Many field setups could be made from both NPPL and X-Ball setups, but people are not experimenting with them because they have become complacent and rates of fire are helping to force that complacency. I can't think of anybody that has seriously tried to lay the X down or put the fingers all down one tape. Why? Because with ramping guns and without all that stuff blocking out the lanes, people would get totally mowed in virtually every instance. Slow it down a little and maybe other things can change too.

Perhaps it's my advanced age playing memory tricks on me but I seem to recall that prior to the PSP's use of the universal field layout (everyone plays on the same layout) that Open and lower divisional Xball didn't use the fingers. But obviously I must be mistaken as everyone would have gotten mowed.

 

[Buddha 3]

Irrespective of so called "playability" of the game, I doubt a lowering of the ROF will find widespread industry support. As stated earlier, dropping from 15 to 12 is a 20% decrease in ROF, which roughly equals a 20% drop in paint sales.

Good luck getting the bigwigs to support that...

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

Irrespective of so called "playability" of the game, I doubt a lowering of the ROF will find widespread industry support. As stated earlier, dropping from 15 to 12 is a 20% decrease in ROF, which roughly equals a 20% drop in paint sales.

Good luck getting the bigwigs to support that...

Cha-ching, the nail has been well and truly battered by Buddha

 

[Russell Smith]

Irrespective of so called "playability" of the game, I doubt a lowering of the ROF will find widespread industry support. As stated earlier, dropping from 15 to 12 is a 20% decrease in ROF, which roughly equals a 20% drop in paint sales.

Good luck getting the bigwigs to support that...

Of course that is assuming that the game still last the same amount of time, and to be honest I have no idea what would occur if we reduced the limit.
Players like Nicky T already limit their own guns to twelve balls per second so they can keep shooting a few seconds longer during the opening phase.
I think we have to acknowledge that the paint companies are among the major sponsors of paintball in its current form but I do not believe they would interfere with any decisions made on the format/rules of the game, or we would be playing unlimited fully auto, and before anybody says anything – it is/would be legal in the UK.

Russ

 

[Buddha 3]

I don't share your optimism (but I am a cynic at heart, so that might be it).

Having dealt with some of the major paint suppliers in the past, I don't see them warming up to this. And the problem is that these same people are also the people that form a large part of "the powers that be".

As far as Nick playing at 12 BPS, well, he's got game. And he plays on a level that doesn't bring in the most dollars for the paint suppliers (if anything, guys like him cost the paint suppliers money...).
But the vast majority of the players come from the no-game divisions, who are more than happy to hide behind a gazillion balls per second, and by doing so bring in the stackola for the dark lords.

Nah, I don't believe the paint suppliers won't get in the way.

 

[Rider]

Quite a lot of sports have revamped the rules to make it more equal to compete.
Motor racing is probably the most visible sport to do this.

and look at the chaos and confusion it causes - the teams struggle to adjust and keep up, spending stupid amounts of money to come into line - the spectators get confused....

leave it at 15bps.

 

[mikey601]

and look at the chaos and confusion it causes - the teams struggle to adjust and keep up, spending stupid amounts of money to come into line - the spectators get confused....

leave it at 15bps.

How can you get confused by motor racing, the guy at the front is winning....simple