New CE bottle stamp and what it means to the players

[Ledz]

STOP !!

This is how rumours start. Everyone is going to go mental with random info like this.

I asked Steve Bull (Chairman of the UKPSF) our sporting federation if you don't know and he informed me informed me the following.

"Yes there is a new standing coming out but bottles built / born before the 1st of July 2003 will have the soon to be old standard on them, there is nothing wrong with these bottles and there is not problem using them."

After the 1st of July no right-minded bottle manufacturer is going to make bottle with the old test standard on them (Unless they are insane). So anything built before the 1st July 2003 will have one test and anything after the 1st July 2003 will have a different test standard both are fine just means different stuff which means zip to me.

As for stopping people using them... I think they will have a very hard job going this. As far as i know this would be illegal. And when we play the NPPL in the states there isn't any problem using HSE / BS bottles. I’m not 100% sure on this one but i have been told that if you are from the UK and reside there you can use your bottle in any country, and vice versa for players from the USA, you don't see the yanks getting turned away at Millennium events because they have DOT Bottles do you.

One last point to think about. If there is the massive problem then don't book a flight on the 1st of July as every plane in the world would have to be grounded for a swap out of the fibre wrapped bottles they all carry on the planes, and i don't think that is going to happen, do you?

 

[tukisilva]

Ok thanks Ledz

Finally some trustable information.

I was starting general panic back home J

Cheers

 

[}{y8ri|)]

Good man Ledz needed to hear that,getting worried there then!


CHEERS BATTY

 

[robwills2]

WRONG!!

The CE approved bottles are made to the EN 12245 standard and must be manufactured in accordance with conformity module B "EC Type Examination" and module C1 "Monitoring of Final Assessment" as approved by RWTUV, they are available now.

No-one knows if they will be legal for Tolouse, but there are rumours that they will not. Legal standards are Legal standards and it's not a matter of will they allow the use of them, but will they be able to allow the use of them.

If I was a team captain I wouldn't take any chances, imagine having your team in Tolouse with bottles that they won't fill.

I have only found one shop in the UK with these CE bottles in stock, below is a link.

www.fatbobspaintball.co.uk

Rob

 

[robwills2]

By the way Ledz, H Pac will not fill DOT bottles no matter where in the world you are from!!

It may be insane, but so is Europe, imagine being jailed for selling bananas in lbs and not kg's, but it happened.

Rob

 

[Hotpoint]

Originally posted by Ledz
you don't see the yanks getting turned away at Millennium events because they have DOT Bottles do you.

Nope but according to the most recent information coming from the HSE you probably should. The Commercial filling of DOT bottles in the UK is illegal and in any case invalidates any site/tournament/personal insurance

One interesting point I'll have to check is whether the CE Standard is the same as DOT, HSE or one of the other European marks. They're all slightly different

Originally posted by robwills2
It may be insane, but so is Europe, imagine being jailed for selling bananas in lbs and not kg's, but it happened

Way Off-Topic but actually the EU offered the UK an opt-out for an additional ten years on the use of Imperial measurements. It was the British Government that decided to impose Metric-Only sales of loose items

The story about the straight Bananas isn't true either

 

[Bully]

Bottles

Now I know most of you out there use air but the vast majority of paintball sites use CO2 - So what is my point.

The standards changed on CO2 bottles and the BS spec was replaced with a European specification.

BUT it was a manufacturing specification so all bottles manufactured after a certain date had to conform to the new specification. The trade continued to sell BS bottles manufatured before that date without any problems, then when they ran out they all started selling the new spec bottles. In the case of C02 very easy the old bottles were black the new ones are mainly grey. The industry continue to use the BS bottles without any problem and can continue to use them so long as they are tested every 5 years to the relevent specification inforce when the bottle was manufactured.

In the UK it is clear, commercial fillers can only fill BS or HSE bottles that is the law, but once the new bottles are being sold they can fill the new bottles. The old bottles are not illegal from a specific date - as long as they are in test they will be filled. Now in Europe if they have recognised DOT and HSE bottles without any problem (since most don't have their own specifications) why on a certian date should they become illegal and you can only use a pan european specification. With all systems there is a phase in or out period. In most change over system, two run in conjunction for years i.e. the CO2 bottles

I can't speak for the millenium committee but in the UK paintball commercial fillers will continue to fill all approved and in date bottles.

If a decision is made to ban all bottles except one type on a certain day that smacks of a commercial decision not a structured change over. (my opinion only)

Yes the pan euro bottles are in the UK.

Steve

 

[robwills2]

So would the UKPSF recommend players to continue to buy the HSE bottles or would the UKPSF advise players to buy the new CE spec bottles.

Also as the self appointed authority for paintball in the UK, would the UKPSF recommend that any teams who are playing in the Tolouse Millenium competition take HSE bottles or buy the new CE bottles

Rob

 

[Bully]

Reply

"As the self appointed authority for paintball in the UK" your comment answers the question. We look after UK paintball and as such players should continue to purchase either type of bottle for use in the UK as they are both legal. Once stocks of HSE bottles have been exhausted then there will only be pan european bottles to purchase. (Same as the CO2 aluminium bottle situation)

We have no control over paintball legal issues outside the UK.

I think it is about time the Millennium Committee stated which bottles are legal in which country not the UKPSF !!!!!

Steve

 

[outkast iain]

rob willis 2

dude am i getting this right....
you as a team captain wouldnt want your team to go to toulouse with the wrong bottles so you would want them to go and shell out for the new ce test bottles on the of chance that you might need them.... how popular would you be if they didnt need them....all that precious drinking money wasted...

keep up the good work bully and ledz... keep us all right...