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Originally posted by Steve Hancock
I agree that it would be wrong for all the lower divs to convert over to M7, but I'm pursuaded that Div 1 converting would cause a cascade. In addittion would it not make sense for the divs not playing m7 to play standard 5 man? Would it not feed into the M7 better when they get promoted or the divisions gradually change over?
This is a very good point, and deserves serious consideration.

Millenium should just scrap 7-man, and run 5-man on the same field setups as the new M5 format. Get players used to the same number of bodies on the field, get in line with the various leagues feeding you teams, and get players used to playing the right field setup. Then the jump to M7 becomes a simple matter of how often you play games and how many subs you have instead of a matter of 7-man games vs 5-man games.
 

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Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
First off - I have no idea if there are any that has baring on THI
Actually no - just as I don't think the majority of paintball teams would be stupid enough to vote against their own best interest.... people are brighter than you think :)

Nick
Nick, as you well know, I'm a cynic and as of yet, Paintball has not proved my cynicism is in any way, misplaced....

I live in hope Nick....
 

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Millenium should just scrap 7-man, and run 5-man on the same field setups as the new M5 format. Get players used to the same number of bodies on the field, get in line with the various leagues feeding you teams, and get players used to playing the right field setup. Then the jump to M7 becomes a simple matter of how often you play games and how many subs you have instead of a matter of 7-man games vs 5-man games.
I completely agree!

It would also create the tie in I want with the minor leagues, and make transition through the entiry system much smoother for all teams, at all levels.

One of the big hopes I had for this season, which I discussed at length with Laurent in Madrid (I guess he disagreed ;)) - was that I felt it was really important to remove the artificial barrier there is between all the minor 5-man leagues and then playing 7-man in the major league.

This keeps a lot of teams from venturing to more than 1-2 (in many cases none) MS events per year, simply because their team is not geared towards 7-man, and going to the MS requires them to loan players.

Some may think the new Division 4 takes care of that - but that is very far from the truth.... the fact of the matter is that the huge potential for growth in the MS is not Division 4 teams - but all the Div. 1, 2 and 3 teams around Europe that are organised for 5-man formats in their local leagues.

What many people may have missed completely, is that leagues like the Centurio and NES (and probably others too - for example in Germany and France) have a huge number of extremely dedicated tournament teams, that take the sport seriously, but that (for various local reasons), are unable to sustain a viable 7-man roster.

There IS a reason that the majority of tournament teams you have seen in the MS so far, come from greater metropolitan areas... and moving to 5-man across the board would change that demographic, because a lot of teams that have so far been unable to focus on the MS, will suddenly be able to do so.

Not to mention the fact that the whole UPBF idea becomes stupid, if the federation cannot even tell the outside world that paintball has "x" numer of players on field for a game.....

Personally I find it weird that there is a call for european federations to join up at the moment - when by far most of the teams in those federations are geared towards 5-man - and the major events series and flagship of the european federation, runs 7-man - apparently for those selfsame teams :rolleyes:

Nick
 

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Originally posted by Chicago
...Millenium should just scrap 7-man, and run 5-man...
I agree also.

They also need to go to center flag* (dual-flag is sOoo last millennium and causes lots of hassles), get rid of the irritating and time-consuming armbands, run multiple games at a time (to get rid of all the waste with all the staging up stuff for a short game) and thoroughly revise the 7-player rulebook, which blows major pole.

That probably won't happen because of the attachment to the "7-man World Cup" trade name and some Malaysians that are also in the world federation are already jumping on the 5-man World Cup moniker.

*EDIT: or go with the buzzer like M7, although I think a flag is better for spectator and media purposes; it lets everyone know visually and instantly what the status of the game is.
 

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Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Cynics don't live in hope dude :D:D:D

You have to choose sides ;)

Nick

....didn't I tell you I was a schizophrenic ?


Ya see, one side of me thinks Nick Brockdorff sometimes goes to ridiculous lengths to make an untenable point and the other half of me thinks that Nick Brockdorff goes to ridiculous lengths to make untenable points...........


Luv u really Nick :)
 
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Je comprend pas.:confused:
T'other Steve...Forget Warhol's 15 minutes, looks like it was Hancock's half hour.

Thankyou, I'm here all week...
 

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Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Not to mention the fact that the whole UPBF idea becomes stupid, if the federation cannot even tell the outside world that paintball has "x" numer of players on field for a game.....
This point is moot. Does the International Rowing Federation have a problem telling the people they run competitions with one, maybe two, maybe four, maybe 9 people on a boat? Or with kneeling or sitting? Or with driver or not?

I could start with track & field too but I guess you get my point ;)