Millennium/NPPL clash

[Fat-Frank]

Originally posted by Magued


I would say that its the NPPL fault that it is confronting dates. No secrets there. And I think they handled it very badly!

But alot of people now try to take advantage of the situation to give their teams a edge. It was pretty clear during the CL meeting when some teams even tried to make the legue lock the rooster after the first event. Making it impossible for the NPPL team to participate.
And also Petes idea regarding the average score was turned down. Conspiracy? No, just short minded people thinking they could get a good result by not having any opponents.

Magued

I think alot of European team and owners liked the way it worked out last year. All of a sudden alot of them found themself on top of the paintball world in Europe. Some of them have realized that if they still want to be there they dont want some of the team in the legue. Make it harder for the NPPL teams will help them gain a position or 2 in the scoreboard.

Please enlighten us on who these teams are..
They way you are writing stuff, or atleast my understanding of it, you are putting a lot of teams in a bad light.

In think every team in Europe respect Joy and the other teams for what they have done in paintball "over there" and in Europe.

And all (or maybe most of us?) would like to see both you and Nexus on the European scene, and i would like to see XSV there too.

Good luck in Huntington, both Joy & Nexus

Laters

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff

Easy solution would be to place all teams in the standings according to their 4 best results... and still maintaining the requirement that all teams had to play all 5 events.

Nick

Nick, I don't really give a sh!t which way this is reconciled because Laurent promised on the phone that this type fix to the problem was going to be done.
I DO NOT WANT ANY FAVOURS DONE FOR ME CHRISTIAN !!!!

I do not want to piss any teams off, i am not looking for any edges over other teams, all I want is a fair crack of the whip and I am not getting it because of other people's fcuk ups.
Nick, I would be in full agreement with your final suggestion and maybe the other teams in the league will see this as a fairer way to go, cool, I got no problem with that but my problem is, being excluded from the four remaining events because I can not find players to fill a team to go to Marseilles that will be able to uphold the name of Nexus as my sponsors and myself would come to expect.
If I am not there to oversee and control the conduct of players turning out for Nexus, anything could happen for god's sake and that's just not fair in making me do that.

That is my main gripe Nick !

Baca - this ain't a debate that me and u should be entering into, I am directly involved in this cr@p and have a lot more insider knowledge of what's gone down and why (which I ain't gonna divulge....yet) and you are not even indirectly involved.......

 

[Magued]

Originally posted by Fat-Frank
Please enlighten us on who these teams are..
They way you are writing stuff, or atleast my understanding of it, you are putting a lot of teams in a bad light.

In think every team in Europe respect Joy and the other teams for what they have done in paintball "over there" and in Europe.

And all (or maybe most of us?) would like to see both you and Nexus on the European scene, and i would like to see XSV there too.

Good luck in Huntington, both Joy & Nexus

Laters

All teams that have been working against a solution for us and Nexus and XSV. And I dont really know who all of them are, but start of with the ones that voted Petes suggestion of at the CL meeting. Also the teams that suggested that the CL should lock the rooster for the teams after the first event. And some even suggested that teams could only rooster 10 players, making it impossible to use the first team if they didnt play the first event. I mean why is that so important all of a sudden??

All those issues Christian is directed towards 3 teams, its no doubt about it. Who those teams are should be clear to anybody attending the meeting. I wasnt there so I cant point out witch team captains voted what, maybe you can help me on that?
Magued

 

[Magued]

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Pete and Magued:

Since everyone agrees the NPPL is to blame for the scheduling conflict, have you attempted to get the NPPL to give you average points for the first event - and then play Marseille instead?

I'm just curious.... as while I completely appreciate your predicament, I am hard pressed to see the NPPL Pro teams react any differently to such a suggestion, than you elude to the European ones doing.

Looking in from the outside - I know that some of the teams that will end up at the bottom of the seasonal standings, are trying to stop the "average points" idea from gaining support, simply because they are trying to get a better placement in the standings and save their own asses......

- but for the teams that will be fighting for top position with you guys, like Menace, Ignition and (my personal tip) Phoenix Russia.... I can certainly see why average points might seem unfair, if they were not also allowed to get an average of their 4 best results.

You might say "but we aren't there for one event - and they are.... and that is true... but from their perspective it is "but we are playing all 5, and they are not"

Easy solution would be to place all teams in the standings according to their 4 best results... and still maintaining the requirement that all teams had to play all 5 events.

Nick

Nick.

I think your idea is good, and I will raise the issue with the NPPL!


Regarding Petes Idea, I cant really see why the team should see this as unfair? We would not get a average of or 4 "best" result as we dont have any more results. We would get the average of our results period. A huge difference.

Magued

 

[Fat-Frank]

Originally posted by Magued

All those issues Christian is directed towards 3 teams, its no doubt about it. Who those teams are should be clear to anybody attending the meeting. I wasnt there so I cant point out witch team captains voted what, maybe you can help me on that?
Magued

Hi Magued,

It was not Christian that wrote this, but anyway:

Christian was attending the meeting, and i was not, and i don`t know who represented your team there either, but it has never been our intension to "squeeze" you out. I dont know where you get this from.

By the way, this was my personal reply in an earlier thread (your thread 9/1-06):

Maybe a solution could be to give those three teams a dispension to not play the first MS tournament in Marseille, but they will not get any points for this one.

And make the 4 best tournaments out of 5 count in the overall title!

In that way they are still in the run for the overall title, and are not pushed out of any league!

Frank

Added: The way you are putting it, it seems that Joy will just show up and pick up the trophy for 1. or 2. place when you are bringing your 1. string, so maybe all the other teams should be very happy that we got a shoot for a top placing in this one tournament

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Fat-Frank

Maybe a solution could be to give those three teams a dispension to not play the first MS tournament in Marseille, but they will not get any points for this one.

And make the 4 best tournaments out of 5 count in the overall title!

In that way they are still in the run for the overall title, and are not pushed out of any league!

That was my initial suggestion at the meeting, but now I have changed my mind. Each position in the league at the end of the season is representative of how consistent or inconsistent a team has been during the year. No league in teh world runs a best of 3 out of 40 results etc....

Doing the best of 4 results undermines the participation of the other teams not affected by the NPPL, and as such wouldbe unfair. Also would be unfair towards Nexus and Joy as if they slip up in any of the other legs they will hve a terrible season.

The fairest way for everyone (including Nexus and Joy) is simply to average Nexus and Joy's 4 scores to give them a 5th result.

What I really dont want to happen is that Nexus and Joy be forced out of the league. It would undermine the league, and lower the standard of play.

Just out of interest as I cant get the rankings to load of my computer, who will be drafted in to the CPL should Nexus, Joy and XSV not participate?

Something else that concerns me, is that this situation MUST be a one off. If the same is to happen next season and the season after and so on, then paintball will never be as professional as other sports.

 

[Christian-Malera]

Originally posted by Magued
All teams that have been working against a solution for us and Nexus and XSV. And I dont really know who all of them are, but start of with the ones that voted Petes suggestion of at the CL meeting. Also the teams that suggested that the CL should lock the rooster for the teams after the first event. And some even suggested that teams could only rooster 10 players, making it impossible to use the first team if they didnt play the first event. I mean why is that so important all of a sudden??

All those issues Christian is directed towards 3 teams, its no doubt about it. Who those teams are should be clear to anybody attending the meeting. I wasnt there so I cant point out witch team captains voted what, maybe you can help me on that?
Magued

Voting FOR a sugestion is not necesarry AGAINST a team.

We voted for a rooster lock after the first event. All the other sports I hve played has rooster lock usually BEFORE the first GAME of the season. this is an important tool to have it looked upon as a sport with a level playing field.
To end it of, we would not have a problem with making it the best of four, as Frank stated in an early tread on the matter.
But we also believe that teams must play all five rounds.

My opinion would be the same no matter what teams this would affect, believe it or not.

 

[Fat-Frank]

Originally posted by sjt19
1.That was my initial suggestion at the meeting, but now I have changed my mind. Each position in the league at the end of the season is representative of how consistent or inconsistent a team has been during the year. No league in teh world runs a best of 3 out of 40 results etc....

Doing the best of 4 results undermines the participation of the other teams not affected by the NPPL, and as such wouldbe unfair. Also would be unfair towards Nexus and Joy as if they slip up in any of the other legs they will hve a terrible season.

The fairest way for everyone (including Nexus and Joy) is simply to average Nexus and Joy's 4 scores to give them a 5th result.

2. What I really dont want to happen is that Nexus and Joy be forced out of the league. It would undermine the league, and lower the standard of play.

3. Just out of interest as I cant get the rankings to load of my computer, who will be drafted in to the CPL should Nexus, Joy and XSV not participate?

Something else that concerns me, is that this situation MUST be a one off. If the same is to happen next season and the season after and so on, then paintball will never be as professional as other sports.

1. I dont know what was the different options you voted for exactly, but i still go for my earlier suggestion. That makes them able to play both leagues if they want to.
They both range NPPL as the superior league (and that is explainable, no need for discussion on that), and choose that over MS.
They are both good teams (Excuse me for not mentioning XSV) that we can expect to see in the top placings on most tournaments. But all teams can also slip once and a while, and therefore i dont think its right compared to the teams that play all 5 MS to make an average point.

2, I guess nobody wants that, except maybe those who are waiting in line to get in.

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[Magued]

Originally posted by Fat-Frank
Hi Magued,

It was not Christian that wrote this, but anyway:

Christian was attending the meeting, and i was not, and i don`t know who represented your team there either, but it has never been our intension to "squeeze" you out. I dont know where you get this from.

By the way, this was my personal reply in an earlier thread (your thread 9/1-06):



Frank

Added: The way you are putting it, it seems that Joy will just show up and pick up the trophy for 1. or 2. place when you are bringing your 1. string, so maybe all the other teams should be very happy that we got a shoot for a top placing in this one tournament

Frank.

Sorry I wrote Christian! I never said Menace tried to squeeze us out, I really didnt know witch teams voted what.

On the other hand now when I read Christians reply I guess Menace did try to squeeze us out....

And why should Menace try that? Why should Menace try to make the Millennium lock the rooster from the first event? Beacuse other sports do that?

What other sports? And why did you guys come up with this now? When have any paintball legue locked the rooster from the first event?
Let me guess, its time to get very seriuos as a sport and lock the roster. If it means that 3 of your hardest opponent will suffer then its something that you guys have to live with huh?

Frank - Regarding us picking up the trophy as soon as our first team is on the field. I dont know about that. The only thing I can go by is history. Us placing first and second on the Nordic series 2005 with this format and the EXL results for 2004.

Magued

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Fat-Frank
1. I dont know what was the different options you voted for exactly

I didnt vote on anything as there was nothing to vote for. The issue was not thrown open to teams by the Millennium Board.