Millennium + NPPL 2005?
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you are all missing something.
The events in the states you are refering to are the Super7 events, presented by Pure Promotions. They are sactioned by the NPPL, who orhganise the schedule, book the teams and organise the refs.
Pure promotions is an English company. They would not be 'coming over here' they are already 'here', and if they can run events in the US they can run events easier here, everyone forgotten Hyperball in 97 (7 years ago) or are you all too young to remember?
If PP do events in Europe they will no doubt link up with one or 2 promotors from the MS, but definitely not all of them. There have been fractures in the MS make-up all year and these fractures could become clean breaks at the drop of a PP hat.
The Millenium is stagnant. This years events were not better than last years (refering to the spectacle, not the reffing/scheduling etc), and the same could be said of the year before that too.
If PP got involved the European scene would get a much needed shot in the arm.
Having said that I don't see it happening. I do not think WDP believe that the European scene is too tempting at the moment. At the most I would anticipate one large UK event, thats if they even thought that was worth it. The last time around (96, 97) WDP did not get the support of the UK teams or industry. Why return when they are getting massive support and appreciation from the US market?
The events in the states you are refering to are the Super7 events, presented by Pure Promotions. They are sactioned by the NPPL, who orhganise the schedule, book the teams and organise the refs.
Pure promotions is an English company. They would not be 'coming over here' they are already 'here', and if they can run events in the US they can run events easier here, everyone forgotten Hyperball in 97 (7 years ago) or are you all too young to remember?
If PP do events in Europe they will no doubt link up with one or 2 promotors from the MS, but definitely not all of them. There have been fractures in the MS make-up all year and these fractures could become clean breaks at the drop of a PP hat.
The Millenium is stagnant. This years events were not better than last years (refering to the spectacle, not the reffing/scheduling etc), and the same could be said of the year before that too.
If PP got involved the European scene would get a much needed shot in the arm.
Having said that I don't see it happening. I do not think WDP believe that the European scene is too tempting at the moment. At the most I would anticipate one large UK event, thats if they even thought that was worth it. The last time around (96, 97) WDP did not get the support of the UK teams or industry. Why return when they are getting massive support and appreciation from the US market?
I know I know
Also, I think you referred to the NPPL event the NPPL tried to hold back in 96 in the UK or sumthin (correct me if I´m wrong). That was cancelled due to the fact that not to many Euro teams wanted to attend while, if my memory serves me right, 18 US teams registered. Well, that was back in the days, and I believe we have a totally different scene now in which you would easily attract more than a hundred teams to each of the NPPL events if all the top NPPL teams would come across. I simply don´t think attacting teams in Europe would be a problem.
I aint missing anything. I was just calling it the NPPL for simplicity, and I also remember Hyperball 97 so no doubt they can run excellent events in Europe aswell!
Also, I think you referred to the NPPL event the NPPL tried to hold back in 96 in the UK or sumthin (correct me if I´m wrong). That was cancelled due to the fact that not to many Euro teams wanted to attend while, if my memory serves me right, 18 US teams registered. Well, that was back in the days, and I believe we have a totally different scene now in which you would easily attract more than a hundred teams to each of the NPPL events if all the top NPPL teams would come across. I simply don´t think attacting teams in Europe would be a problem.
100 teams is nothing. They get 162 teams at every US event and turn away another 30-40 teams. I expect next years events to be extended to 200 teams. In order for a European Stop on the Tour it would need to be 200 teams minimum. Europe has not been able to get 200 teams to an event for a long time.
Intheno, I don't think I've missed a thing
The Euro market has significantly moved on since Hyperball and I think the industry would get behind any Pure Promotion enterprise it chose to put on.
It's track record Stateside would ensure that much.
As for the number of teams, I don't think you do need 200 teams to claim it as a success and if the powers that be in PP chose the right locations, co-promoters, dates and frequency, then I think you could pretty much guarantee a succesful event both economically and logistically.
You are right about the fracturing and the stagnation that has beset the Millennnium for the past year or so but this only makes it easier for change to occurr.
PP are no fools, they see the value in an expansionist policy because anything that moves paintball forward in terms of creating a widening international involvement automatically increases the power and potential income of the governing concern.
PP ain't no fools as you are fully aware and I think paintball is in pretty safe hands if it does go this way after what they have already done Stateside.
First they gave us Hyperball, secondly Super 7's, the pedigree is impressive thus far and if they added a European arm to the NPPL stable, you wouldn't hear too many moans from me.
Nick - you don't need a crystal ball to work half of that out!
PP might choose Birmingham for a venue for a UK event - incredible Nick, I mean how do you come up with this? Tell me your sources!!
As for me never being seen again, thats just your wishful thinking. In fact Mama Lambini and I have been 'friends' for years and its likely that if she OD'ed on crack, I would be right there frothing at the mouth and spasming next to her...
Pete, nothing wrong with your logic, its just the 'go over to Europe' thing that was confounding me. I sometimes think that people don't realise that PP are based in Birmingham, England!!
I would hope you would be right about Euro-support for a PP event in the UK (maybe even Birmingham Nick..). I don't share your optimism about it being a financial success though, not without it being a FPO event, which would meet with political and financial issues. The problem is that the infrastructure (poles, netting, fields, etc, are all in the US. Meaning a one-off event would involve considerable investment and if this was to be realised it would mean high entries and FPO (in my opinion). Do that and it is likely 200 teams would become 75-100...
PP might choose Birmingham for a venue for a UK event - incredible Nick, I mean how do you come up with this? Tell me your sources!!
As for me never being seen again, thats just your wishful thinking. In fact Mama Lambini and I have been 'friends' for years and its likely that if she OD'ed on crack, I would be right there frothing at the mouth and spasming next to her...
Pete, nothing wrong with your logic, its just the 'go over to Europe' thing that was confounding me. I sometimes think that people don't realise that PP are based in Birmingham, England!!
I would hope you would be right about Euro-support for a PP event in the UK (maybe even Birmingham Nick..). I don't share your optimism about it being a financial success though, not without it being a FPO event, which would meet with political and financial issues. The problem is that the infrastructure (poles, netting, fields, etc, are all in the US. Meaning a one-off event would involve considerable investment and if this was to be realised it would mean high entries and FPO (in my opinion). Do that and it is likely 200 teams would become 75-100...
Intheno, I have always realised PP are 100% England based but their tournament promotions have for the past year or so been Stateside utilising the NPPL.
It should come as no surprise the term 'bringing it over here' has erupted when a lot of people tag the series as NPPL.
There is no NPPL over here and as such it could be viewed as 'coming over'
As you may know, Niall has the netting and poles tucked under his wallett so it might be more expedient to negotiate a way round that problem rather than shipping everything over. As for the politics, if you mean the industry as a whole, that's done and dusted as the US has shown; if you are refrring to internal Millennium political issues then I think you should consider the following, If I were a promoter and PP came to me offering me a slot in a proposed European Super 7 Series, the choice is simple, join or die.
The two series cannot run in competition, that much is for sure.
As far as teams go, they would I believe elect to play the NPPL because of the standard of tournament they have proved they can put on Stateside would be a big draw.
This would mean virtual suicide if any promoter wanted to go it alone or try to go along with any remaining promoters who did not take up the offer.
Some promoters won't even be approached, those that are, have a stark choice.....
But, all this hinges upon the seriousness PP allotts to hitting Europe at this stage in the game, it may not be best timing for them, we'll have to wait and see.
Intheno
I hope your being sarcastic, cus the whole purpose with the thread was to let people predict how the season 2005 would look for Europe, and that´s just what Nick did.
Thanks for putting that straight!Originally posted by Robbo
Intheno, I have always realised PP are 100% England based but their tournament promotions have for the past year or so been Stateside utilising the NPPL.
It should come as no surprise the term 'bringing it over here' has erupted when a lot of people tag the series as NPPL.
There is no NPPL over here and as such it could be viewed as 'coming over'
By the way, if the NPPL would come across, how many US teams do you guys think would attend if, lets say, we had 2 legs in Europe? I mean, the maximum we´ve seen is I believe 10 teams (once at Toulouse and now in Malaga) so can we expect more teams flying over just because the NPPL is hosting the events?