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Tony Harrison

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You mean "Eastenders"?

Or that gameshow where they give people a load of grub then put them on a rollercoaster, and time how long it takes them to throw up?
 

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Missy, would be kinda nice hearing from you in this thread and seeing what you think we could to do in terms of persuading the Millennium guys to listen..well they may listen but they ain't acting upon any of it.
Well, seeing as you asked.

I say get them all in a room, and start from absolute scratch. Congratulate everyone on what they have done so far, and ask who still wants to be involved. If they don't want in, they get to walk away with all honors.

What is needed is some kind of competitive ego-war to re-light the fires in the Euro industry. This means you have to scrap the MS altogether, and revert to 5 independant events in a 'European Tour'. each being independantly owned and run by people who will not wish to be out-done. You can then ask the PSP to put their 5th NXL event in the UK. They will likely drop to 4 in the US (unless Bruce & Scotts talks bore fruit in Orlando) and you would essentially be asking the NXL pro teams and thier sponsors to substitute the 5th event for the 1 European one. You will have to battle to get the event in the UK rather than toulouse, but thats up to the Brit-ballers and industry to find the correct venue.
Then I suggest you hire Ged to do the one big UK event in the Birmingham or Manchester area. Keep it out of the south, simply to make it more affordable.
That will give you one primo event in the UK. The rest of Europe would get behind their own events. Laurent would do a great job in Toulouse, Manfred in Germany. If that means there are only 3 events, then so be it. There are no 'series points or 'standings', all that shxt works out to be bollocks anyway. The independant events are competing with each other for the best event, thats how you will see them improve.
Of course, once you have the best event, you still have the problem of having the least supportive player base in the world. You could have an event full of top US pro's, thats truly mind-blowing, but would any of these brit-punks sack up and pay to play it, or just wheel out the same lame-ass excuses as to why its too expensive, to far away, etc?

Now, you may have trouble getting the MS guys to go dor this, as it would mean a total shift in thinking, but these guys would still need to work together in order to share existing resources, they would just be free of the shackles of their weakest members. The strong ones could see it as an opportunity. The weak ones would truly detest the idea, but in my opinion there is no room for the weak if you want to bring Euro-ball (or Britball) back to former glories
 

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Actually, you have touched upon something there that I hadn't even thought of for next year and that is the idea of making all the events 'open' and not bothering about series points etc....as u say, it's all bollocks anyway coz nobody really cares.

Hmmmm, I think the biggest problem will be getting the Millennium guys to give up the company to allow free standing events, albeit they are promoted by the board members anyway.

It certainly provokes a competitive environment in which improvement should flourish but getting those guys to come round to the idea is gonna take some doing.
As for pulling Ged back from event retirement?
I'll leave that job to you :)
 

karseras69

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Take away series points and rankings and in my my opinion all you end up with is a massive 3 day walk-on that teams will TRULY not care about, because no matter what they say now they actually do want to come first and have their own personaly goals that they want to improve on. Take that away and they are left with nothing

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Take away series points and rankings and in my my opinion all you end up with is a massive 3 day walk-on that teams will TRULY not care about, because no matter what they say now they actually do want to come first and have their own personaly goals that they want to improve on. Take that away and they are left with nothing

IMHO

I 100%disagree on the basis players will win something, they win the event title !!

Do you think people go to watch Wimbledon, the US open and the French Open to see points accrued?
Nah, the players play it to win the event title and the spectators watch to see them do it ...nobody gives a cr@p about points accrued for ranking.

And if you need this applied to paintball, you only have to go back a few years prior to XBall when everybody who was anybody just wanted to win the World Cup, nobody cared about series points, they just wanted that cup....above ALL else.

And so Missy is damn right to advocate this because it just leaves the promoter to create a worthy event and then everything else falls into place behind it.
 

karseras69

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Then it all comes down 2 the players deciding (if thats possible, coz it seems theres too much focus on bitching and whining) if they want a series or a string of events much like the tennis you mentioned earlier robbo.
I know for me its a clear cut choice, i would much rather win a tittle and be crowned year winner than winn all 4 events of a series and get no recognition for it.
Yes world cup was the thing 2 win, and it still is and is still used as a reference point for the "greats" of our game.

I personally see Paintball going further towards say the football side of sports. With points, rankings, series and cup winners. Fighting to avoid relegation and to get promoted, its just the way I personally see paintball going.

5 independant events seems like a step back to me
 

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Then it all comes down 2 the players deciding (if thats possible, coz it seems theres too much focus on bitching and whining) if they want a series or a string of events much like the tennis you mentioned earlier robbo.
I know for me its a clear cut choice, i would much rather win a tittle and be crowned year winner than winn all 4 events of a series and get no recognition for it.
Yes world cup was the thing 2 win, and it still is and is still used as a reference point for the "greats" of our game.

I personally see Paintball going further towards say the football side of sports. With points, rankings, series and cup winners. Fighting to avoid relegation and to get promoted, its just the way I personally see paintball going.

5 independant events seems like a step back to me

Why the hell shouldn't players decide?
The players are the customers!!!!!!

And just because a 'player' voices an opinion, that doesn't automatically mean it's bitching and moaning, it might (as in this case) be constructive criticism.
 

karseras69

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Come on you know what i mean. I dont mean the Players SHOULDNT decide, i mean are they ABLE to decide. do they even truly know what they want ? or are they just force fed the ideaology that Millennium = bad, industry = ****, only salvation = tv and outside sponsorship.

dont want to stir things up, just voicing an opinion.