Does this mean that if team A shows up with a case of brand X with yellow fill they have bought off the site, and the manufacturer has said that their yellow fill doesn't stain, team A is welcome to use it, even though they got it off site?
Millennium 2004 part deux.
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Buddah.......Basically Yes!
But we have got to have the paint companies taking responsibility.
I am not going to accept "Fred said it was ok" I need a list from each supplier saying what will be used and what they take responsibility for.
Niall
But we have got to have the paint companies taking responsibility.
I am not going to accept "Fred said it was ok" I need a list from each supplier saying what will be used and what they take responsibility for.
Niall
Hmm
Those rule changes point into one direction---> maximizing revenue!
Paint: Its soo obvious its not about stains and its not about sponsorships!
Next year the paint manufacturers can increase their net revenue by not selling as much paint to the local retailers at wholesale prices, but selling it at the events exclusively at retail prices.
Lets face it on a Millennium event the amount of paint shot is a mindbending number! Getting retail price for all of it opposed to wholesale/retail price is too attractive to resist!
Gametime: Its easy more teams=more consumption (paint/goods/catering/hotels you name it).
Entry fee: This is again ridiculous the Am's and Novices + Rookies get the short end of the stick again. Its not a wise thing to alienate the people who pay the most!
You cannot really get more money from the participating teams as there are already too much financial drain on them. If I were Millennium & co I would stop to try and get more money from the competing teams, there IS a limit to peoples tolerances and wallets!
The only viable source for more money is outside sponsors. It takes balls and a really attractive sponsorship package to get them in. Ofcourse then they would raise new requirements and may want to actively take part in the management but thats life!
(why dont we have Red Bull as a sponsor for example? VAST money!)
On the EPA: Welp Nick the idea does sound good for sure!
But somehow I dont feel the urge to join when (one of) the main voice(s) of the organization is FAMOUS about being sooo biased to the PRO bracket! The AmA, AMB and Novice is the bulk of the competition they pay the most, when someone vocally and openly makes people feel that they are insignificant compared to pros people start to think.
Cya
Those rule changes point into one direction---> maximizing revenue!
Paint: Its soo obvious its not about stains and its not about sponsorships!
Next year the paint manufacturers can increase their net revenue by not selling as much paint to the local retailers at wholesale prices, but selling it at the events exclusively at retail prices.
Lets face it on a Millennium event the amount of paint shot is a mindbending number! Getting retail price for all of it opposed to wholesale/retail price is too attractive to resist!
Gametime: Its easy more teams=more consumption (paint/goods/catering/hotels you name it).
Entry fee: This is again ridiculous the Am's and Novices + Rookies get the short end of the stick again. Its not a wise thing to alienate the people who pay the most!
You cannot really get more money from the participating teams as there are already too much financial drain on them. If I were Millennium & co I would stop to try and get more money from the competing teams, there IS a limit to peoples tolerances and wallets!
The only viable source for more money is outside sponsors. It takes balls and a really attractive sponsorship package to get them in. Ofcourse then they would raise new requirements and may want to actively take part in the management but thats life!
(why dont we have Red Bull as a sponsor for example? VAST money!)
On the EPA: Welp Nick the idea does sound good for sure!
But somehow I dont feel the urge to join when (one of) the main voice(s) of the organization is FAMOUS about being sooo biased to the PRO bracket! The AmA, AMB and Novice is the bulk of the competition they pay the most, when someone vocally and openly makes people feel that they are insignificant compared to pros people start to think.
Cya
If all paint manufacturers send the paint they will distributing for 2004 to the millenium series for testing and do not change these paints throughout the year and a list is produced of what can and cannot be used at events then the teams that do bring their own paint will know what they can bring, they won't be bringing 2003 paint as it would not be could for there chances in the event as the balls won't work as well. These teams that bring their own paint will not bring any banned paint as they want what is best for the sport.
At CC i do believe that the only pink paint that was used there was actually supplied by suppliers at the event! Not by teams bring their own! The players don't wanna damage the sport, but at the same time don't want to pay over the odds to play it!
At CC i do believe that the only pink paint that was used there was actually supplied by suppliers at the event! Not by teams bring their own! The players don't wanna damage the sport, but at the same time don't want to pay over the odds to play it!
There's a few ifs there,
You're right about the manufacturers trying it on with the pink paint. They should know better!
But you understand that the paint being shot at an event has to be regulated! It wouldn't be a problem if there wern't so many
cowboy paint companies out there creating paint that stains! We don't want to have to punish the players for shooting a paint that they may not know stains, but it has to be regulated.
Or the price of events goes up because the cost of cleanup will go up...
You're right about the manufacturers trying it on with the pink paint. They should know better!
But you understand that the paint being shot at an event has to be regulated! It wouldn't be a problem if there wern't so many
cowboy paint companies out there creating paint that stains! We don't want to have to punish the players for shooting a paint that they may not know stains, but it has to be regulated.
Or the price of events goes up because the cost of cleanup will go up...
Your all mad
So team A turns up with a case of yellow fill that has a different batch number to the stuff being sold on site at the Event by company Y. What if the yellow paint stains. Who then is to blame? They are still shooting the same stuff and are not braking any rules! But does the company get done or the team?
Look what happened at the Miami Event. PMI is told you cannot sell your paint it stains, then when the test's are done it is one of the least stainging paints there, along with Diablo. But do the other companies get banned? Do they hell!
Jasper
Yes they could send over all the paint colours they are to use for the year. But there is nothing stopping anyone putting a staining fill in the ball, and then saying well it has been cleared by the Millennium so it is fine!
And you would be talking about who here? Cos as far as I know Goose and myself are not Pro Biased! Please explain your comment.
Just food for thought.
Piper
So team A turns up with a case of yellow fill that has a different batch number to the stuff being sold on site at the Event by company Y. What if the yellow paint stains. Who then is to blame? They are still shooting the same stuff and are not braking any rules! But does the company get done or the team?
Look what happened at the Miami Event. PMI is told you cannot sell your paint it stains, then when the test's are done it is one of the least stainging paints there, along with Diablo. But do the other companies get banned? Do they hell!
Jasper
Yes they could send over all the paint colours they are to use for the year. But there is nothing stopping anyone putting a staining fill in the ball, and then saying well it has been cleared by the Millennium so it is fine!
Ascik
And you would be talking about who here? Cos as far as I know Goose and myself are not Pro Biased! Please explain your comment.
Just food for thought.
Piper
Your all mad
Otherwise some AmA, AmB and Novice teams will just get ripped off and won't be able to play these events and these players are the majority and they are the ones who pay for the sport the pro's are sponsored and don't have to spend anywhere near as much money as a Novice team.
I understand that so in that case the suppliers at these events have to either have a cap put on the price of the paint they sell or find some way for teams who are sponsored to still get their paint at the same price as they do the rest of the time.
Otherwise some AmA, AmB and Novice teams will just get ripped off and won't be able to play these events and these players are the majority and they are the ones who pay for the sport the pro's are sponsored and don't have to spend anywhere near as much money as a Novice team.
Acsik
Paint price regulations? Well as long as there are NO alternatives to Millennium it will be a tough fight!
Cya
I stand corrected then!Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Cool - for a minute there I thought you were calling me a "Whelp"..... nice to see we can keep it civil.
FYI, I have absolutely nothing to do with the EPA, apart from being an ordinary member.
Otherwise I would not be able to say controversial stuff on here all the time
Maybe you should have a look at the EPA board, to find out more about the organisation ?
I was suggesting that if a player wants influence on how things are done, he should use his one chance of getting that - which is being part of a powerful player organisation - rather that just individually bitching online..... but the organisation only becomes powerful, if everyone signs up !
Nick
Paint price regulations? Well as long as there are NO alternatives to Millennium it will be a tough fight!
Cya