Millennium 2004 part deux.

[tubbie]

Well.....

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
My only problem is with all the players that bitch about it on the Internet, but fail to use their one chance at having a say, through a membership of the EPA.

Nick

Your absolutly right people should sign up immidiatly, but the fact that people are not a member of the organisation doesn't mean they can't say that they are not happy with things happening in the paintball scene!

And you also have to take in mind that since paintball is a relativly new sport, things like EPA have not lifted up yet.How long did it take before labour unions were establised? can you really expect that everyone is going to join the EPA overnight? well everyone should that's one thing thats for sure, since the organisers are beginning to push us players around, and we should take that from them since we are the people who spend the money that their making!

Tubbie


BTW) Maybe somebody could post the website for the EPA on here so people can go and have a look!

 

[Wadidiz]

Re: Baca

Originally posted by Baca Loco
Yeah, that one minute per player per side thing has been a standard everywhere, hasn't it?

And PSP 5-man games have been 10-minutes for as long as I can remember.
Hasn't seemed to prove detrimental to aggressive play over here.

Very small point here, but PSP went to 5 minute games at the World Cup without even as much as a hiccup. In ancient NPPL days 5-player was 15 minutes.

I tried to get them to go with 10-minute games for 10-player at the World Cup but the answer was no. But there were obviously very few games that went the full 12 minutes judging by the fact that we stayed ahead of schedule all the way through.

Steve

 

[Red_Merkin]

apart from on bunkers on the fields that is...

Simon, i spent lot of time chasing teams telling them that they would be banned if the continued to shoot pink paint. one paint company had mislabled their boxes but we quickly got it sorted out as the judges spotted it right away, and another major paint manufacturer was made to take back several cases of paint because he told the teams he sold it to, that 'Niall said it was ok' when it clearly wasn't.

It's really hard to keep tabs on what paint is being shot at an event, it has to be regulated .

There's simply no other way. We can't rely on each team to submit a sample from the batch of paint they are going to be shooting at an event in advance so we can test it, but the paint manufacturers can, and will have to.

Or we could jack the entry fees up another 200 euros each to pay for the damage caused by staining paint and you can all bring whatever brand you like...

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by Red_Merkin
There's simply no other way. We can't rely on each team to submit a sample from the batch of paint they are going to be shooting at an event in advance so we can test it, but the paint manufacturers can, and will have to.

This supports exactly what I've been suggesting.
It's so easy to publish a list before the event which states what paint will be legal. Could be something along the lines of:

Draxxus Hellfire - orange fill
Draxxus Blaze - yellow fill
etc.

Simply put the manufacturer, type, and fill on that list, and it's clear what can be brought and what can't. Hellfire is Hellfire, whether I get it from Diablo Direct, or from Ye Olde Paintball Shoppe.
Doing it like this will be a lot easier than what the Mill seems to have in mind now. Do you honestly think there will be people asking me for a proof of purchase when I walk in with my stack of Hellfire? If the security measures of this season are anything to go by, all I can do is laugh at the suggestion.

And Nick, I signed up for the EPA as soon as it was possible, therefore I can bitch and moan all I want Besides, I'd be more than happy to help the EPA with any initiative they'd need manpower for.

 

[Pikey]

The people I see replying here are all having a lot of sponsornames in their signature, so they won't really be that much affected by this new NON BYO rule, but it is cool to see they stand up for the "little man". Thanks for that!

What I want to say is this: I am in a Dutch Novice team and we have just started to play tournament paintball. Because of this we finally (after 7 years of playing) got some sort of a discount deal with our local shop. That means that we can save some extra cash to visit two or three Millenium Events next year.
And now we cannot have the benefit of that! Unbelieveble!

It is very simple actually: I am getting a paycheck with an X ammount of money. A (very big) percentage of that money I spend on my sport. When I recieve a discount on new gear or paint, that doesn't mean that I am paying less for paintball, it only means that I can play more with the same ammount. So when entryfees and paintprices go up, I play less . And we all know that teams like us don't play for the pricemoney, they play for FUN!

So, if the people on the MS have the player in mind (maybe I am naïve, but hé let's stay positive!) they need to come up with an other way to adress the staining paint problem. Because I think that the way this is going, you will see in the Novice and Am B division only the locals and less international teams. And one of the main reasons for teams like us to play the Millenium is that we can compete against teams we have never played before and not against the usual suspects we compete against every week!

 

[duffistuta]

"Returning to the days of no BYOP... I'm not convinced that is a step forwards, but I saw it coming years ago when they said you can only use paint from companies that were sponsoring the Millennium Series."


When this change was announced last year I rang Niall up and told him I believed it was the thin end of the wedge, that it would lead to the end of BYOP and could easily spread to markers, barrels, goggles and everything else. I was told I was being paranoid.

Now, Niall was right, I am paranoid, but in this instance the paranoia was justified. How long before gun sponsors turn round and say 'If paint sponsors get their product protected, then I don't want Team Y shooting guns made by Company X, who do not sponsor this series."

Why should protectionism only extend to paint?

 

[Red_Merkin]

Because it's about the damage that is sustained to the venue by the staining paint.

It's not about giving the sponsoring paint companies an advantage (as far as i'm aware) it's about controling the level of damage caused by the paint, and regulating what is safe to use, and what is not.

 

[duffistuta]

The reason Niall gave to me last year was nothing to do with staining paint, it had to do with paint sponsors not being happy that non-sponsors were selling paint to teams to use in Millennium events. Staining was not an issue.

And anyway, as Jay says, there are easy ways round the staining problem that don't hit teams who have deals with local shops etc.

 

[NIALL]

I'll admit that the translation has not made it clear.

We have already lost one venue due to staining paint. It is nigh on inposiible to track every teams supply line so who takes the rap? We do.

If the paint companies take responsibility for the stuff they sell, then we have recourse on them if they supply staining paint.

Therefore the paint used at the events must be cleared by the paint companies before use.

If any one else can come up with a better suggestion then I'm listening. We certainly don't want to penalise the small trader, but if we don't act swiftly we are going to be playing in cow pasture again.

 

[Jasper]

My old team last year had a deal which saw us get a certain paint brand straight from the factory at a very cheap price. Now getting it this way saw us being able to control the way the paint was stored now im not getting at suppliers but when you buy some paint off them it seems as though they have had it for months, its dinted and mishaped and some times rock hard.

Now when we came to play a millenium event the european supplier said we had to buy from them and when playing CC we had to buy from the UK distributer at their prices if we wanted to keep getting the deal we had for UK national tourneys. This was about £10 extra per box for what we saw as crap paint as we were used to fresh paint less than two weeks old.
At the same time our local site had promised to sponsor our paint for millenium events but they would not pay the extra £10 per box we had to pay that, I know our price for paint would still be nothing like other teams that pay for all there paint and maybe just get a little discount.

My point is that these suppliers can charge pretty much whatever they like for paint if you have to buy it from them at the event!!!!!