Millenium ID cards?

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
You're already paying a fixed fee--it's called the entry fee.
Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the ID's sold on their value to the players, not the promoters?
What's next, a staging fee? How bout a safety fee? Or a venue surcharge?

Ah, but what the cards are used for is a whole different discussion.
In essence there are two different bodies that (need to) get paid. The promoters, who take the entry fee, and the series.
It's the same with most organised sports leagues over here in Europe. You join a club to be able to play a certain sport and you pay your contribution. Often when joining a club, you have to pay a "joining fee", which includes your membership of the league your club is part of.
I'm not saying the system employed by the MS is ideal, but it's not a terribly bad one either.
Yeah, it would be easier for us if all costs would be included in the entry fees, but I get the feeling we'd end up paying more than we do now. Now we pay $20-$30 per person for the season (depending on what division we play in), but I'm willing to bet that if they raised entry fees it would work out as more than that for those that play more than one event.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Buddha 3
Ah, but what the cards are used for is a whole different discussion.
In essence there are two different bodies that (need to) get paid. The promoters, who take the entry fee, and the series.
It's the same with most organised sports leagues over here in Europe. You join a club to be able to play a certain sport and you pay your contribution. Often when joining a club, you have to pay a "joining fee", which includes your membership of the league your club is part of.
I'm not saying the system employed by the MS is ideal, but it's not a terribly bad one either.
Yeah, it would be easier for us if all costs would be included in the entry fees, but I get the feeling we'd end up paying more than we do now. Now we pay $20-$30 per person for the season (depending on what division we play in), but I'm willing to bet that if they raised entry fees it would work out as more than that for those that play more than one event.

Okay, but--
Have there been ID cards for as long as there has been a Mil Series? And have the players been paying for it all along?
Were the ID cards sold on the basis that they were an additional fee or that they were inititated in order to provide some additional service to the players?
Finally, what precisely is the distinction between the promoters and the series?

In these clubs of yours are there individual owners of the teams you're joining? Otherwise the comparison doesn't seem valid to me. You aren't joining anything and the league doesn't exist purely for the benefit of the participants, does it?

 

[northern monkey]

Originally posted by Sammi T
I paid £10 to transfer from one team to another for Campaign.
My card was checked for the first time on the last game by Field 2 judges. They also checked the other team, only to find someone's pass wasn't even registered for the team on the field. he had been playing all day still registered to another team.

That player had been playing for the team all weekend and had had his ID checked on more than one occasion on other fields. The other fields either didn't notice or couldn't be bothered. The cards where also shown at registration, and nothing was said then either. We didn't knowingly break the rules and up to that point, our last game, no one told us any different.

The team was short of players, therefore 4 other guys including myself played for them, and as our results showed we were not trying to use ringers to sandbag the division!

 

[Sammi T - Nexus Eclipse]

Originally posted by northern monkey
That player had been playing for the team all weekend and had had his ID checked on more than one occasion on other fields. The other fields either didn't notice or couldn't be bothered. The cards where also shown at registration, and nothing was said then either. We didn't knowingly break the rules and up to that point, our last game, no one told us any different.

The team was short of players, therefore 4 other guys including myself played for them, and as our results showed we were not trying to use ringers to sandbag the division!

Easy Tiger!!
I was mearly makin the point that the cards werent checked or used as they should be.
Nothing against your team or the team you were guesting for.

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
Okay, but--
Have there been ID cards for as long as there has been a Mil Series? And have the players been paying for it all along?
Were the ID cards sold on the basis that they were an additional fee or that they were inititated in order to provide some additional service to the players?
Finally, what precisely is the distinction between the promoters and the series?

In these clubs of yours are there individual owners of the teams you're joining? Otherwise the comparison doesn't seem valid to me. You aren't joining anything and the league doesn't exist purely for the benefit of the participants, does it?

Paul,
I'm not being an advocate of the whole thing, just trying to explain why I personally wouldn't have a problem with having a separate "series membership".
The distinction between the promoters and the series? They ain't the same guys. For example, Rob, the guy that did Amsterdam, is not part of the Millennium board. The promoters have to fork out a substantial sum to be part of the Millennium series. I admit that it would be easier for most of us if this sum was increased, and the cost of the ID system added to the entry fees, but it doesn't bother me too much, since it ain't a big hassle. But like I said, that would probably cost the regular players more than it does now. If the entry fees went up by 100 euros (which ain't that much), that would mean that it's 600 euros if you played the entire series, which is, depending on what division you're in, equal to 20-30 ID cards at the moment. I doubt most teams have a roster that size....

As for your last question, there aren't single owners of the clubs, but a small body of people.

Anyway, like I said, I have no problem with the way the payment situation is handled now, I do have some issues with what the cards are used for at the moment though (which is really near to nothing....)

Question: Did anybody that register at Campaign have to produce a passport or something similar?

 

[Baca Loco]

OK, Jay, I think I got it. It's more or less please take my money now for this mostly worthless card cus otherwise you might charge me more if it gets appropriated differently. Is that about it?

Or is it, I don't mind paying for this worthless card but it would be nice if it weren't worthless?

PS--any guess on what percentage of players only play one or maybe two events? As it works now those guys deserve a big hand as they are subsidizing the expense for all the regulars.

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
OK, Jay, I think I got it. It's more or less please take my money now for this mostly worthless card cus otherwise you might charge me more if it gets appropriated differently. Is that about it?

Or is it, I don't mind paying for this worthless card but it would be nice if it weren't worthless?

PS--any guess on what percentage of players only play one or maybe two events? As it works now those guys deserve a big hand as they are subsidizing the expense for all the regulars.

Oi! Stop putting words in my mouth, or it'll be Spanksville for you

The way the cards have been used so far is a rip off.
All I'm saying is that I have no problem with paying for membership this way. Whether you play one event, or all six. But that's me. I ain't even saying that it's the way it should be done. But I am saying that a lot of these people that moan about it, get the same treatment from any other sportsleague they partake in, and don't complain about that at all. If I wanted to play soccer, I'd have to pay my contribution to the local club, as well as my league membership, irrespective of the number of actual matches I will end up playing in. Just seems like people have separate standards when it comes to paintball.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Buddha 3
1--Oi! Stop putting words in my mouth, or it'll be Spanksville for you

2--The way the cards have been used so far is a rip off.
All I'm saying is that I have no problem with paying for membership this way.

1--I'm not. I'm rephrasing for the sake of clarity--and effect.

For example, you wrote, "I admit that it would be easier for most of us if this sum was increased, and the cost of the ID system added to the entry fees, but it doesn't bother me too much, since it ain't a big hassle. But like I said, that would probably cost the regular players more than it does now. If the entry fees went up by 100 euros (which ain't that much), that would mean that it's 600 euros if you played the entire series, which is, depending on what division you're in, equal to 20-30 ID cards at the moment. I doubt most teams have a roster that size."

I paraphrased it as, "It's more or less please take my money now for this mostly worthless card cus otherwise you might charge me more if it gets appropriated differently. Is that about it?

No substantial difference is there?

2--YOUR WORDS, BRO. And my paraphrase, "I don't mind paying for this worthless card but it would be nice if it weren't worthless?

And I promise not to harrass you anymore about this. Plainly, you are befuddled.

 

[Buddha 3]

Nope, you are. I'll try to be as clear as possible, in one easy sentence....

If it has to be paid for, I have no squabbles with this method of payment.

Nowhere did I say, or imply that I thought it was being put to good use.
That is all. Was that so hard? You nasty little instigator....