BORING!
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Damn, another broken link. Looked quite interesting too.
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Originally posted by steve davidson
(Hey Pete - notice that the little ****er still hasn't answered the questions? I'll try another one...
Chris - is the NCPA a non-profit, not-for-profit or a non-stock corporation and - would you please care to elaborate on the differences between those three forms of entities?
Steve, I have never met anybody quite like this guy in my entire life, he is a true phenomenon and I suppose he finally gets what he most desires, notoriety, to be someone...unfortunately for Chris, his fame extends only within the boundaries of paintball's cyber-world and those that are aware of him, look at him with disdain and ridicule.
He is a tragic figure that's for sure
And I can only think of one other figure in paintball who I know that comes close to him, perhaps we should create a little cyber chat room where they can both debate the world of paintball to their heart's content......oh what joy, I'd just lurve to be a fly on that wall.....................................NOT
Laters Steve, say 'Hi' to Forest for me !
wonder what pussyOriginally posted by Robbo
Steve, I have never met anybody quite like this guy in my entire life, he is a true phenomenon and I suppose he finally gets what he most desires, notoriety, to be someone...unfortunately for Chris, his fame extends only within the boundaries of paintball's cyber-world and those that are aware of him, look at him with disdain and ridicule.
He is a tragic figure that's for sure
And I can only think of one other figure in paintball who I know that comes close to him, perhaps we should create a little cyber chat room where they can both debate the world of paintball to their heart's content......oh what joy, I'd just lurve to be a fly on that wall.....................................NOT
Laters Steve, say 'Hi' to Forest for me !
you're talkin' bout?? Paul.
Thought Chris' phraseology sounded like it had a Brooklyn accent and was coming from somewhere about 3 feet off the ground: now that I see he's working with PSP, the reasons for those impressions become clear. He's become dwarfyfied. No wonder he attacks the messenger instead of the message, no wonder he can't answer a question with a direct answer, and no wonder he's chosen the strategy of 'volunteering out of the goodness of his heart to take on all of the onerous tasks for the good of the people'.
Also makse me wonder who's going to benefit from all of the marketing information gathered on the site.
Also sounds way too familiar - like umm yeah: way back in 1992, the IPPA (APPA...? sound familiar) 'offered' to gather all tournament players together into a players org called the TPD. No one wanted to pay for the privilege, so the IPPA got into cahoots with the promoters who simply added a five dollar a head charge to entry fees; forced membership and forced (secret) payments to the TPD through the promoters.....
Also makse me wonder who's going to benefit from all of the marketing information gathered on the site.
Also sounds way too familiar - like umm yeah: way back in 1992, the IPPA (APPA...? sound familiar) 'offered' to gather all tournament players together into a players org called the TPD. No one wanted to pay for the privilege, so the IPPA got into cahoots with the promoters who simply added a five dollar a head charge to entry fees; forced membership and forced (secret) payments to the TPD through the promoters.....
Hey, this would run much faster with PHP/MySQL. What is it using on the back-end, mysql/hash/txt? Which one? Making it modular with PHP(if you know it) would cut down on the time you spent on it.
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I guess I need to spell it out, so here goes:
The NCPA is incorporated in the state of Wisconsin as a non-stock incorporation, without members. Its bylaws put control of the organization with the college paintball clubs. Non-stock corporation means that no one actually OWNS it in the sense that you can't buy or sell it or anything like that, but it is its own legal entity.
The NCPA is also OPERATING as a tax-exempt organization - that means we only expend our resources for tax-exempt purposes, specifically, the promotion of national amateur atheletic competition.
I use the word OPERATING because we do not, as of yet, have formal recognition from the IRS of our tax-exempt status. As I mentioned earlier, you are not required to file for such an exemption until 27 months after your incorporation, or until you regularly have gross contributions exceeding $5,000 per year. As we currently receive quite a bit more than $5,000 per year, that makes the 27 month deadline apply, which as I also earlier mentioned, is in December.
Non-profit is generally a state-level legal term, and not-for-profit a layman's term, that refer to certain organizations, of which tax-exempt organizations is a special subset. Note that it is entirely possible to be a non-profit, or not-for-profit, organization, and *NOT* be tax exempt. Not-for-profit means that the earnings of the organization are not disbursed for the benefit of owners/shareholders/etc, non-profit generally means the organization is additionally incorporated as a special type of organization which has additional LEGAL requirements regarding its operation - in Wisconsin, that special type is "Non-stock corporation".
Note that I am NOT a lawyer, and this is a fairly general overview, and details are missing (esp. re: state level law, which varies from state to state.)
To put it more plainly: All the money that the NCPA takes in gets spent on NCPA participants. The vast majority this past year was spent on entry fee waivers for the National Championships, which effectively bought us lots of coverage in local media outlets around the country, plus encouraged things like team uniforms, volunteer staffing, etc. The net result is virtually all of the teams paid $100 in entry instead of the $300 it cost to run the event. Some money also goes to things like the website, mail, flyers, trophies, a banner, a fax machine, and stuff like that. We're getting more and more organized, and some of that money will in short order also be diverted to scholarships, promotional material for college/high school administrations, and oter stuff we may come up with. NONE of the money is paid to any of the NCPAs officers or directors, and the NCPA has no employees.
As for PSP, my main goal with the system was to provide a way for LOCAL event promoters to know if there were national-level players showing up to their events. The only way to do that, obviously, is to get the participation of the national leagues. I managed to convince PSP that I wasn't full of crap first, so that's why the system is live there first. I'm still working on convincing NPPL that the value of using the system far exceeds the slight inconvenience of using the system (mainly actually checking people's photo ID's before issuing tournament ID, and spot checking photo ID on field against each team's roster, two things that are a requirement of using the system, and necessary for the system to be effective at all.)
As for your insinuation that I have ulterior motives for all of the player information that is being collected, you are 100% correct. In the past, when I've been fighting legislation like the WI and Baltimore paintball bans, one thing I've noticed it would be REALLY nice to have is a list of players in a particular city or state. People who vote in a particular jurisdiction are MUCH more valuable in such efforts than those who do not, so being able to alert those people directly would be extremely helpful.
Other than that, the only things the information should be used for will be OPT-IN mailings (the player has to specifically request them), SPPLAT benefits (again, IF the player requests them, they can not share the information with SPPLAT if they don't want the membership), and for event registration (we give your information to promoters if you register for their events. For example,I just sent Lane a list of every team captain's email for each team registered for Chicago Open so he could send them event information.) Additionally, aggregate information will be provided to the industry, press, and public. (Because things like what percentage of players are female, or under 18, and as compared to the previous year, are nice things to know.)
I am THUROUGHLY committed to using the database stricly in a manner that benefits the players. It only works if the players want it to.
Database construction for whoever asked: It's a perl front-end on a mySQL backend. The server we're on is not as good as I'd like, but it's cheap. When we go online with ID printing and handing out SPPLAT benefits and thus have some income, I should be able to move to a better server with more power and better service, or maybe just colocate a box somewhere. I don't know PHP. Although I'm sure some time spent with a PHP book would remedy that situation, I'm just short on that time right now. If you're volunteering some help, drop me an email.
Thanks,
Chris
I guess I need to spell it out, so here goes:
The NCPA is incorporated in the state of Wisconsin as a non-stock incorporation, without members. Its bylaws put control of the organization with the college paintball clubs. Non-stock corporation means that no one actually OWNS it in the sense that you can't buy or sell it or anything like that, but it is its own legal entity.
The NCPA is also OPERATING as a tax-exempt organization - that means we only expend our resources for tax-exempt purposes, specifically, the promotion of national amateur atheletic competition.
I use the word OPERATING because we do not, as of yet, have formal recognition from the IRS of our tax-exempt status. As I mentioned earlier, you are not required to file for such an exemption until 27 months after your incorporation, or until you regularly have gross contributions exceeding $5,000 per year. As we currently receive quite a bit more than $5,000 per year, that makes the 27 month deadline apply, which as I also earlier mentioned, is in December.
Non-profit is generally a state-level legal term, and not-for-profit a layman's term, that refer to certain organizations, of which tax-exempt organizations is a special subset. Note that it is entirely possible to be a non-profit, or not-for-profit, organization, and *NOT* be tax exempt. Not-for-profit means that the earnings of the organization are not disbursed for the benefit of owners/shareholders/etc, non-profit generally means the organization is additionally incorporated as a special type of organization which has additional LEGAL requirements regarding its operation - in Wisconsin, that special type is "Non-stock corporation".
Note that I am NOT a lawyer, and this is a fairly general overview, and details are missing (esp. re: state level law, which varies from state to state.)
To put it more plainly: All the money that the NCPA takes in gets spent on NCPA participants. The vast majority this past year was spent on entry fee waivers for the National Championships, which effectively bought us lots of coverage in local media outlets around the country, plus encouraged things like team uniforms, volunteer staffing, etc. The net result is virtually all of the teams paid $100 in entry instead of the $300 it cost to run the event. Some money also goes to things like the website, mail, flyers, trophies, a banner, a fax machine, and stuff like that. We're getting more and more organized, and some of that money will in short order also be diverted to scholarships, promotional material for college/high school administrations, and oter stuff we may come up with. NONE of the money is paid to any of the NCPAs officers or directors, and the NCPA has no employees.
As for PSP, my main goal with the system was to provide a way for LOCAL event promoters to know if there were national-level players showing up to their events. The only way to do that, obviously, is to get the participation of the national leagues. I managed to convince PSP that I wasn't full of crap first, so that's why the system is live there first. I'm still working on convincing NPPL that the value of using the system far exceeds the slight inconvenience of using the system (mainly actually checking people's photo ID's before issuing tournament ID, and spot checking photo ID on field against each team's roster, two things that are a requirement of using the system, and necessary for the system to be effective at all.)
As for your insinuation that I have ulterior motives for all of the player information that is being collected, you are 100% correct. In the past, when I've been fighting legislation like the WI and Baltimore paintball bans, one thing I've noticed it would be REALLY nice to have is a list of players in a particular city or state. People who vote in a particular jurisdiction are MUCH more valuable in such efforts than those who do not, so being able to alert those people directly would be extremely helpful.
Other than that, the only things the information should be used for will be OPT-IN mailings (the player has to specifically request them), SPPLAT benefits (again, IF the player requests them, they can not share the information with SPPLAT if they don't want the membership), and for event registration (we give your information to promoters if you register for their events. For example,I just sent Lane a list of every team captain's email for each team registered for Chicago Open so he could send them event information.) Additionally, aggregate information will be provided to the industry, press, and public. (Because things like what percentage of players are female, or under 18, and as compared to the previous year, are nice things to know.)
I am THUROUGHLY committed to using the database stricly in a manner that benefits the players. It only works if the players want it to.
Database construction for whoever asked: It's a perl front-end on a mySQL backend. The server we're on is not as good as I'd like, but it's cheap. When we go online with ID printing and handing out SPPLAT benefits and thus have some income, I should be able to move to a better server with more power and better service, or maybe just colocate a box somewhere. I don't know PHP. Although I'm sure some time spent with a PHP book would remedy that situation, I'm just short on that time right now. If you're volunteering some help, drop me an email.
Thanks,
Chris
Hahahahahahahaha, most people just play a game of paintball, look what raehl does to get noticed...ever wondered why he spends soo much time on here writing ...coz he sucks sooo bad at actually playing and has to write convoluted crap like that !
So, in other words, NCPA dollars are filling the Raehl household with electronics and 'other stuff' that can be used for promoting tournaments - or other things. Of course, since the schools are scattered all across the country, its necessary to have that stuff centralized - even if that means that only a few people really get to use them...
No response to the comparison between IPPA's TPD 'forced' membership and the roster program...
why is that "THE PLAYERS" didn't get to vote on whether they want to use that system or not? I mean, if we're going to go with democracy, why not go all the way?
The good old days sure were better. You used to be able to count the number of people in the industry who were bent on world domination on one foot, and you didn't even have to take off your cleats...
No response to the comparison between IPPA's TPD 'forced' membership and the roster program...
why is that "THE PLAYERS" didn't get to vote on whether they want to use that system or not? I mean, if we're going to go with democracy, why not go all the way?
The good old days sure were better. You used to be able to count the number of people in the industry who were bent on world domination on one foot, and you didn't even have to take off your cleats...
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