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Pipes, me ol' chubby chum

I think its a great idea you get to resurrect the old HCL. Can't believe you've volunteered for all that work, have you finally had too much Scrumpy?

Its about time something happened down this way, I love the Temple but without regular play and decent competion Southern teams are going to lose out.

Thanks for offering (you did offer didn't you?)

Just me a bell mate, long time no talk.

 

[darm]

Come on people lets give Andy some support its got to be worth a try hasnt it I am sure that a leg would be held at the temple and it would be a great way to encourage new teams to start.
In the SW league there wernt many teams at the begining but know there must have been at least 5 new teams in the the last 2 seasons of it running.
So yes its a very good idea maybe it could run along side other series.
Darm

 

[Stan]

This may well turn into War and Peace (sorry)...

Well up for a series of tournament series based around Campaign... After Cherkely Wood, Evasion and Wicked shut there was (is) bugger all about!

I got really excited when i saw that you were setting up a novice tournament series and regular walkon days (as reported in PGi) but then we had mad cows swimming through the woods and you couldn't run either ... any chance of sorting them now??? Please???

As with all mud based activities, Temple's good when it's dry and the Diablo site at Maidenhead sounds as though it's sorted. How about a tournament series based along the lines of...

Temple - Sup-air only.
Holmbush - Woods?
Campaign - Woods and/or Sup-air. (see below)
Wicked - Woods. If you're still looking at opening it again?
Maidenhead - Sup-air and Woods?
Skirmish Lasham - Woods and WW2 bunkers etc.

Main problem i can see is that relatively few teams seem to want to get their shoes dirty back in the woods.

Any chance you could use the fields that Mayhem was set up on a few years back - behind the Campaign commercial site? That would add another Sup-air to the list? Or any other fields around the Cobham, Effingham, Ripley borders. (How's about the Imber Court Police Sports ground again cos it's one minute from my house!!!)

The problem (from an outsiders pov) behind the HCL was that there was little flexibility in terms of attending the divisions so that you HAD to turn up to EVERY tournament. This led to the problem of cost to the non-sponsored teams who had to shell out a large amount of cash just to be competetive. AND you had to marshal.

A series lets anyone turn up, whenever. That can only be a good thing?

To make it work, i think that a NOVICE tournament would be able to run along this sort of system where people who have attended regular punter days could be contact to see if they wanted to form a team... An intermediate or pro series might be put off by the lack of Sup-air. However, punter tourneys are an area that i don't think are explored enough... (Probably cos i don't know how much hassle it is to sort them out!)

Anyway... I reckon go for it. There are loads of players in Surrey - in my opinion, most would be prepared to travel to all of the locations listed above. It all depends on wether you can get access to the other sites?

Having re-read my post i've rambled (as per usual) but hope i've (maybe) said something useful somewhere along the line?

 

[Beaker]

I would echo Stan's comments. I would be up for regular play but we need alternatives to Temple with Sup-air play. Sparklie is most def a start and we will be training there but can't get several full size 7man supair there AFAIK.

 

[Stan]

What do you think about my suggestion of a *novice* tournament?

Further to this, i think that the limited paint format is essential to encourage scuzzy students, kids and poor people like me into the tourney scene... Do you think that limited paint is detrimental to a quality tournament?

Not knowing how tricky it is to set up a Sup-air field, i am assuming that you need a relatively sheltered area of grass big enough for a couple of fields (what sort of area?) but what else?

What do you think of the punter tournament type thing?

 

[Beaker]

Stan,

Punter tournies are great idea - look at Sparklies having a punter division and Temple used to have a strictly entry division. Problems I can see are turnout - how are theses new guys going to here about it.

Picture this. You go to site A a few times and want to get into it and buy a bit of kit and fancy a stab at a tourney. Would Site A really point you to Site B rather than have you keep coming back to them.

Great idea - I would speak to Sparklie and Co to see if workable though.

Limited paint is fine - One of the US's major series the Pan Am is ltd paint.

 

[Kieran - Thunder]

At my old site we did the occasional U18 punter type tourney. The format used was wierd... everyone brought say 5 people and then 4 teams played another 4 teams on each field... the teams were revolved and only flag games played. What ever team (within the 4 team group) got the falg got a few more points than the others in the group etc. Then the top like 8 teams played semis and finals while the others could watch or play more fun games. OK so its not really like a real tourney but it does encourage competition and is more financially viable for a site owner.

K

 

[SPARKLIE CHICK]

Hello guys

um well interesting reading.

Please don't moan about lack of tourneys I am throwing at least three very lovley all mod cons 5 man tourneys this year plus extras.

This will depend on the teams supporting them I have about 10 teams all said they would play march thr 3rd but so far no deposits..........

Yes I am intrested in any thing that helps keep the sport alive and progressing. I don't think punter tourney is quite fitting it's not their faults they have only just discovered the joy of paintball and are wet behind the ears. personally I am really happy for them to play one or two games get hooked buy guns and want more. Surly this is a whole new group of people for you to shoot at and more people to play tourney with!

I am open to idears and limited paint is one option to help keep the cost down as is bully system of self marshalling (all the teams marshal one game) I know no one wants to marshal but it is one way to keep the costs down.

Personally I would like to see a world full of good sites that get on and realise every one wants a change of site now and again this dose not mean the players won't come back.

this is only my personal opinon

 

[HERMITT]

Beaker, what's wrong with the temple? Maybe this should be a whole new thread??!!!!

 

[Kieran - Thunder]

Hermitt... I don't think he's saying there's anything wrong with the Temple... we love it there!!! I think the point is that in order to have a decent South East Series, we'd need more sites like the Temple with Sup'Air.