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NulodPBall

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Originally posted by jahlad
wasnt it him who got banned from somewhere after he shot someone that many times in the head he knocked them out?
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Chris got banned from the Great Western Series which became the Pan Am. He got banned at the Hawaii leg, on the North Shore of Oahu at Turtle Bay when he was playing a Hawaiian team on the "Show" field filled with inflateable bunkers, right in front of everyone at the trade show.

While I don't agree with what he did, I do understand what he did and I might actually do the same thing...this doesn't excuse what he did and it should always be cause for a large penalty...what happened? Well, he shot out a player on the Show Tape, then the player stepped off the field, and proceeded to shoot Chris four times, Chris spun and emptied his hopper on the dead player...much yelling and shouting ensued, much of it from the watching players. The real reason he was banned? because he was still on probation from and incident at Pendleton the year before that involved minors and a fight. Chris was in tears at the awards ceremony, but his teammate, Dan had to ban him. Dan also banned another pro player at the Pan Am Las Vegas 1-on-1 last December for throwing a fit at a decision and kicking a bunker.

I think that players that have a history of bad behavior, whether justified or not, need to have some sort of penalty levied against them if they act out...especially if an organizer (series or just for the tournament) grabs his "package" and talks to the possible offender before the tournament, putting him on notice that if anything happens, penalties will fly, AND be enforced.

Those of you local will remember that (not just at tournaments) there have been "tankings" (a tank making contact with someone's head makes a surprisingly clear sound), rocks being swung, and plain fights breaking out. Luckily, there usually are clearer heads nearby and everyone jumps on the combatants and it usually comes to naught (being short has it's advantages...the haymakers just go over your head and hit someone else :))...parents sometimes are the offenders, but none of that should be tolerated at all, especially at a major tournament.

I know of one guy who cost his team a tournament because he started bonus balling a ref...possibly something stronger should've been done, after all, he dumped at least 30 balls on the "offending" ref. but I believe they just basically pulled all his surviving teammates and slapped a major penalty on his team, making it impossible for them to even think about making it into the semi's. And to make things worse, I bunkered one of them later and made them scream like a girl...oh wait, she was a girl... :)

The organizers can make a difference...if they choose to.

Ray "you know who I am" N.
 

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Third time lucky...

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
I am an echo of myself.

Or else I am a brain in a vat imagining you all.

Because all the players who claim to have seen this bad behaviour and are so keen to write about it have yet to report it to the EPA.:confused:
I am on the case Dude!
 
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raehl

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Well..

Doe sthe EPA even have a formalized procedure for reporting it yet?

I'd be very surprised (and impressed) if theyy'd gotten that far yet - but if you expect an organization to make a formal action, it should be through a formal process - not a "Email this guy, and see what happens."


- Chris
 

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Fair bit of whining gone on here

Not any one player is perfect, you gotta look at the best bits and filter the rest. You can't just totally hate on one player coz you don't agree with certain aspects of their behaviour.

At least you guys got to see the Effect play, I couldn't go, missed them and am gutted. LaSoya and co inspired me to be a better player and despite whether or not they can be dicks I still look up to them.

Watch, learn, laugh, cry, whatever.

just my 2c.

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Red_Merkin

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no one is perfect, that's for sure.
But the differnce is that this guy has a record of using his gun as a weapon to inflict intentional harm on people.
When you step onto the pitch you assume that there is a certain risk involved with playing the sport. However having this tw@t shooting people in the head with his rapid fire marker is total bullsh!t. He's got a problem controling him self, he's violent, and he's a repeat offender.
If he gets the ban for the shooting the Russian Legion in the face then he's a three time loser, and Promoters need to refuse his entry into any major event.

If he keeps it up, it will only be a matter of time before he hurts someone seriously (more seriously than the kid he concussed), and gets sued or jailed.

And before you say that'll never happen, a hockey player in the NHL used his stick as a bat around another player's head, and got the book thrown at him; fines and criminal charges.

It dosn't mean that he's finished in paintball, look at mike tyson, multiple violent assault convicions, convicted rapist, and yet he draws a crowd. Folks overlook his private life because he's a phenomonen in the ring. But he's not above the law, remember when he bit Hollyfield's ear? He got the ban.

What the EPA must do is call for LaSoya to be banned for his actions. If he is not, then i can go out and shoot some person in the head repeatedly and claim that i should not be punished because Chris LaSoya wasn't punished.

Another question,
Why wasn't one of the ultimate judges watching him? There's three ultimates, and i know moose was at the field. Every where LaSoya goes he causes trouble (on the field) so why isn't he constantly monitored?
 

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NPPL has a rule in place for such behavior, regarding shooting with intent to injure, (does the Mill have such a rule?) which could result in a suspension of up to one year, but the incident with our team was not at a NPPL event. The only thing I could think to do was to send notice to the promoters and the other teams sponsors, which I did, and did not get a response from any of them. Fortunately I suppose, after that event our team is playing only NPPL events and the other team is playing elsewhere.

Seems like us Yanks have the corner on bad behavior doesn't it Ray? I think I will bring the kids to Europe so that they can see that you can play paintball and not be a dolt (see the great language I am picking up from you guys already!)

P.S. Robbo you know the minors involed in the Pendelton fiasco.
 

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Originally posted by paintballma
NPPL has a rule in place for such behavior, regarding shooting with intent to injure, (does the Mill have such a rule?) .
True, but nobody has explained to me why Ron Kilborn didn't recieve the 1yr. suspension. I was 20 feet away when he unloaded into Tyler Michaud's head and upper body ( who was standing still with gun clearly raised in the air). Yet he gets a 3 game suspension eventhough he was shooting to injure.

It has become abundantly clear that the rules favor well known players/ teams only. See, even the NPPL fails in this respect.
 

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It seems clear that there are differing types of infringement here:

With the first type, you've got to leave it to the judges to make the correct decision. Or at least *cough* discuss *cough* it on the boards and with the EPA afterwards with the aim to improving the quality/number of judging/judges.
These would be playing infringements, playing on, wiping and the like.

The second type would be comprised from any offence that is thought liable to cause harm to another player. Now we play an extreme, fast paced, sport so it will be a fine line between playing the game and the second type of infringement.
So bonus balling to the tune of 12 head shots is a prime example. I would say more than a couple of bonus balls and you are becoming a dangerous player. But that's personal opinion.

ANYWAY my point being that these second type of infringements need to be examined by a body separate ffrom the tournament marshalls. This body would then be of a consistent make up and could be an elected mix of players organisers and sponsors representatives.

I have little experience of the safety aspects to organising a tournament, but to draw a strange analogy with F1 racing, albeit an HUGE funding gap. They have a single overseer of the driver's health directing medical teams that are local to each event.
In paintball it could be this person whose decision
upon the seriousness of such infringements informed the panel/board/body overseeing the events. They could then apply penalties appropriate.

Now I'm proposing nothing really new, and I don't expect that this hasn't been mooted before, BUT, it does appear that a lot of people are generalising and lumping these (in my mind) two clearly different types of infringement into the same category.


Just a passing thought, ignore it as you like.

Chimp
 

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Originally posted by JTHM
True, but nobody has explained to me why Ron Kilborn didn't recieve the 1yr. suspension. ...
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Anybody who knows Ron, knows that he's a "special" case...I'll keep quiet before I get a knock on my door in the middle of the night...just watch him, even when he's just 'watching'...

"Name withheld to protect the not-so-innocent"