Joy Masters field design...

[goose]

Scutty...

Seems that the other Am teams could get their game plan working, maybe the problem wasn't the fields just your teams way of looking at them. Either that or it's time to evaluate whether or not you have the right manpower to be playing in Europes premier events.

If this is what you meant by a cheap dig (because frankly I can't see what else there is in my posts that it could be) - well then I guess we have a different opinion of what a "dig" is.

Maybe it was a little pointed - but it was not aimed ONLY at CP. I have the utmost respect for you guys and what I said I would have said to anyone bitching about the fields, in fact it is the same thing the Ducklings have said to ourselves.

We rolled over teams on all the fields except for the Draxxus/Diablo field, where we got our asses handed to us by 4 teams (2 in prelims and 2 in the semis) including a novice team. Did we complain about the field design - NO - we bitched at each other for not being able to read a field to save our lives.

Now the "evalute manpower" quote was maybe a little harsh - but as the old saying goes "if you can't take the heat - get out of the kitchen". If you can't win against other teams in your same division - PLAYING THE SAME FIELDS - then you have re-think something, and maybe it is the players - I DON'T KNOW IT'S ONLY A POSSIBILITY. Whether or not your guys have the correct manpower is up to you to decide - not me, or anyone else - and I in no way said that the group of guys you currently ran with couldn't do the job.

I am sorry if what I wrote struck a nerve with you - maybe it hits too close to home - but it was meant for all teams, not just CP. Jeffs statement about losing players too quickly etc. etc. can only be attributed to not reading the fields and finding the correct routes to run - others found a way to do it, just not you guys.

I hope this clears things up - and again - I can see how it appears that I am attacking Jeff & CP, but please take my word for it it was meant for all the teams who are attempting to get to the "top of the heap" - Ducklings included.

goose

 

[Urban]

In todays Branded times, I'll conceed that the spectator drives as far as the money men are concerned in most sports but the ratio of spectators to sportsman in Paintball must be closer to 1:1 than any other sport going. The specatator doesn't have quite the pull in paintball as elsewhere...

I can understand TPTB(TM) wanting to up that ratio.. more spectators equals more sportsmen equals more interest equals more money equals more power in their own little worlds...

I really can't see any large spectator group being particularly interested in watching 'two-minute' extreme games and somehow something tells me they won't become a reality that will stick for very long, if at all, for a number of reasons.

I can see that paintball has, for the last few years, been in a state of flux as regard format, and no doubt will continue to be so for a few years yet. At 35 chances are I won't be playing whatever the final incarnation is.

Urban

 

[TJ Lambini]

Who says there will be one incarnation...

liklihood is there will be many, to use my fave example, take competitive mountain biking.

XC races - 5/6 lap races which take about 1.5 hours in total
Enduro races - Anything from 3 hours to 8 days
Downhill - Intense one-minute-ish solo timed runs
Dual slalom - as above but head-to-head
Biker-X - basically BMX style racing, 1 - 2 mins per race

And that leaves out free-riding, tricks and trials, which can also be competitive despite their 'rec' heritage.

And despite being in tha industry for 10 years (first played 13 years ago) and having played and watched more tourneys than I've had hot tofu, I'd still much rather watch a tourney made up of games that last a minute or two. And tha generation tha sport is actively trying to appeal to, tha extreme generation, participates and has been weened on sports that last that long too...

 

[manike]

I don't get it ?

Originally posted by Nick Iuel-Brockdorff
drop the maximum game time from 10 to 5 minutes, and give every team double as many games !

I could go for that...

But would we see more stalemates? I think having set outcomes is always better for spectators than a stalemate.

Although the idea of a shorter game time forcing teams to go for it might work, I see issues with it just creating more stalemates.

manike

 

[goose]

I don't know if there would be more stalemates - hell using 5 minute game time I believe that we would only have had 1 game go to time - which is the same number we had anyway.

I vote for the shorter games but more - talk about value for money - twice the games, less waiting and more fun.

goose

 

[Liz]

Sadly I doubt we'd get twice the games per team if we halved the game time. There would just be twice the number of teams allowed in to the event

Liz
feeling even more cynical than usual today if that's possible

 

[TJ Lambini]

Nick, Goose...

y'all got my vote.

People are scared because people don't like change...nobody liked semis when they came out, or electros, or Hyperball. S'human nature...y'know, I've seen soooooo many people dissing X-Ball and the first game didn't even start yet!

Nice point about tha Tigers BTW.

 

[NIALL]

Just to throw the cat amongst the old pigeons!!

There probably is not a paint sponsor of the millennium series that is remotely happy with their sales at Joy.

You guys go hey we only shot 10 boxes as opposed to 30... well the down side of this is viability. Without the support of the industry there is no millennium series . So unless you all wanna go back to site paint tournaments at exhorbitant prices we will have to retain a level of compromise until the outside money starts to roll in.

 

[Urban]

Nick, Goose...

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
y'all got my vote.

People are scared because people don't like change...nobody liked semis when they came out, or electros, or Hyperball. S'human nature...y'know, I've seen soooooo many people dissing X-Ball and the first game didn't even start yet!

Maybe people are scared.

Personally, I'm just wondering aloud on whether the ideas being put forward here are going to get you what you want...

As I see it currently, paintball is not TV friendly. Without that you'll never appeal to the 'MTV' generation. IMHO, the format needs to change not necessarily the 'way' the game is played but the the way in which it can be relayed to the masses.

You wanna appeal to the MTV generation... pick a piece of music and make a video at Campaign. Film everything... the people, the fields, the plays, the breaks, the crowd, people gassing up, eating hotdogs, hugging, fighting with the Refs, whatever, and mix and match the whole lot into a pop-video, and get that on MTV...



Urban

 

[goose]

Liz & Niall...

... so is the cup always half empty over there in Jolly 'ol England?

Liz - twice the number of games doesn't have to be done with twice the number of teams. Just look at it this way - instead of playing 10 prelim games - you now play 20 against more of the teams that where there anyway.

Niall - twice the number of short games increases paint usage back to the long-ass-boring game level. Thus the paint suppliers are happy again and the MS goes on to live a glorious life.

goose