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BWillie

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Originally posted by Robbo
Mike, if the December showings of XBall on US TV don't get the ratings required, then the NXL will fold and I don't think there will be much of a resolve to keep the PSP going if that happens and so the up and coming World Cup could well be the last........

Geez - I bet you're shaking in your boots then aren't you Pete. Obviously with this logic in mind, you have to feel that if the December show DOES get the ratings "required", it would mean the end of the NPPL just the same. It must be unnerving knowing that you have put all your eggs in one basket and a single television show could mean the end to it all.

Actually, I don't agree with your forecast at all. If the ESPN show is a flop, I don't think it means an end to the NXL, but I guess it could. Regardless, even if the NXL folds, it CERTAINLY doesn't mean the end of PSP.

You can mark my words - regardless of the future of the NXL - there is still a very capable and willing section of influential people willing to keep PSP going.

And why do you continue to be so one-sided? You are far too intelligent to not see the problem with that. When was the last time you attended a PSP event? 3 years ago? Lots of things change. You may too. And I don't think you'd have to try very hard. You'd just have to stop trying so hard not to.
 

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Originally posted by BWillie
Geez - I bet you're shaking in your boots then aren't you Pete. Obviously with this logic in mind, you have to feel that if the December show DOES get the ratings "required", it would mean the end of the NPPL just the same. It must be unnerving knowing that you have put all your eggs in one basket and a single television show could mean the end to it all.

Actually, I don't agree with your forecast at all. If the ESPN show is a flop, I don't think it means an end to the NXL, but I guess it could. Regardless, even if the NXL folds, it CERTAINLY doesn't mean the end of PSP.

You can mark my words - regardless of the future of the NXL - there is still a very capable and willing section of influential people willing to keep PSP going.

And why do you continue to be so one-sided? You are far too intelligent to not see the problem with that. When was the last time you attended a PSP event? 3 years ago? Lots of things change. You may too. And I don't think you'd have to try very hard. You'd just have to stop trying so hard not to.
Come on Lane, I ain't got no axe to grind here mate, you run the PSP - I have nothing to do with the NPPL other than attend its events.
The only money I ever earn is from PGI, nobody back hands me, nobody commissions me and nobody asks me for favour and so on.
The PSP pays your wage, is it any wonder we have differeing views on the relative merits.
And, I don't really have to attend any PSP events (tho I do concede it would be better) to get a good idea of what it was like, I know many people and talk to many people who do..enough said I think.

And I CERTAINLY did not suggest there was anything certain about the demise of the PSP if the NXL did go belly up, I just observed there is a connection and a possible consequence and I asked a question, that's all mate !

As for distorting my logic and extending it to predict the demise of the NPPL if the NXL was successful, I don't think it would work that way at all.
I think the momentum the NPPL has now generated and the moves it now makes will carry it through, no matter what you guys do or not do.

But Lane, I do think if the NXL show flops, then the NXL will be no more because nobody frikkin cares about it anymore, just look at the relative audiences when there is a Div one game going on at the same time, look at the player base disenchantment over the last year.
The only thing in my opinion keeping the NXL alive is the prospect of that deal.
As for what the PSP would do in the wake of the NXL dying remains to be seen but my feeling would be that some of the PSP members who promote the events might think the profit tally at the end of the year when compared to the sheer aggravation and stress of putting on these events might well not seem too favourable.
In that case, perhaps Ren and Jerry may well go it alone again and Lane, you know as well as I do, it was really only those two events in past years that used to make any sort of money.
Certainly, Dave's didn't nor did Billy and Adam's and the fourth event in the series was always something of a no go zone when it came to making money.
Pete
PS say 'hi' to family for me !
Peace Lane
 

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Originally posted by Eddepet
Hey Boogie...if you happen to see the only two Dutch teams who are going to the Orlando World Cup, namely Low Profile and my own team Buddha Bandits, please keep an eye on them...I hear they cheat. :D
Hope you won't be using any of the techniques that the guys taught you, they cheat really badly:( :D ;)
Have a good one in Orlando, hope you guys have been doing the drills, say Hi to Daniel for me and rip it up out there.:D
 

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Originally posted by Robbo
Hey Noop, they are not totally separate mate, do you think the PSP would still be going if XBall wasn't being played out to it's Clarkian finale?
It's certainly debatable......think about it.....
Your experience with event promotion is far greater than mine, so I do not understand why you think the PSP would not still be going?

X-Ball is just a format, teams will play paintball regardless. Where do you think all the NXL teams would go? All the other teams currently playing X-Ball? The almost 300 teams still playing 5/10-man?

The only way that teams would be unwilling to play the PSP, is if the NPPL drastically changed their game plan. Increasing event sizes, accessibility, and the total number of events; all while decreasing entry costs, to where there became no room for any other events.

I don't see this happening, because I don't think that is in their business plan. Like the NXL, their goal is not to be the only tournament league, but to be the only truly professional league; the next NBA and NFL.

Right?
 

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Originally posted by Buns of steel
Hope you won't be using any of the techniques that the guys taught you, they cheat really badly:( :D ;)
Have a good one in Orlando, hope you guys have been doing the drills, say Hi to Daniel for me and rip it up out there.:D
Thx Steve, and will do. I'm sure Daniel says hi back. :)
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Jeeeez dude

Originally posted by noop
Your experience with event promotion is far greater than mine, so I do not understand why you think the PSP would not still be going?

X-Ball is just a format, teams will play paintball regardless. Where do you think all the NXL teams would go? All the other teams currently playing X-Ball? The almost 300 teams still playing 5/10-man?

The only way that teams would be unwilling to play the PSP, is if the NPPL drastically changed their game plan. Increasing event sizes, accessibility, and the total number of events; all while decreasing entry costs, to where there became no room for any other events.

I don't see this happening, because I don't think that is in their business plan. Like the NXL, their goal is not to be the only tournament league, but to be the only truly professional league; the next NBA and NFL.

Right?
I think the fracture lines for the PSP will, as I have said in the post above, come from each individual member deciding whether or not to continue with the time, effort and money it takes to put on these events.
This is of course if the NXL show flops and the NXL consequently takes a dive too.
After all, a lot of the guys on the PSP now have a more viable alternative for marketing their wares as the majority are already on board the NPPL bandwagon.
Look at who's in the PSP, Gino, Dave YB, Ren, Richmond, Jerry and Billyy and Adam.
All except Jerry have products to sell to the mass paintball market, this is why they are in paintball and not to promote tournaments; understand that and you will go some way to appreciaiting what way things might slide if the NXL bubble bursts.
As for where all the PSP / NXL teams will go?
Well it don't take much working out mate, it just remains to be seen how the NPPL could accomodate them.
You may say it is not in either's business plan to be the only league around, that's as maybe but I tell you this much, I don't suppose either would lose too much sleep if they did find themselves in such a position :)
 

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Given how popular Xball has become (60+ teams playing Cup?), I can't see the PSP folding next year, even if NXL goes bye-bye. PSP has made their money off the D2 and D3 teams who form the bulk of the participants.

Honestly, I think closing out the NXL and returning to the more traditional pro/D1/D2/D3 structure would be more exciting for fans, as it opens the pro field to all the top level teams. Similar to seeing Bob's Men vs. Infamous in the NPPL, who doesn't want to see Dynasty vs Aftershock in Xball? Or Legion vs. Philly? Those would be great games.