Is Xball ever coming to the uk?
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Ironkid said:Cos your both argueing. Doesnt matter i used the wrong pic.
PS I just used the right pic !
"point being, robbo 1, dissent 0..."
Didn't realize Robbo and I were in an argument here...sorry if it some how came off that way? Although for those keeping score, a rebuttal/counter-point does not equal a "win" regardless of how much you'd like it to.
We can give Robbo the point when the leagues merge. And if they merge under the right conditions (ie some kind of xball type format) then in my opinion paintball wins as a result. If they merge with the greatest format ever played going away (even though it has its shortcommings) it will be at a terrible loss to the sport.
I'd like the leagues to merge. But I don't think it will happen. And I really hope it doesn't happen at Xball's expense. <-- and it sure is expensive so I imagine it might be tempting to kill for some.
Didn't realize Robbo and I were in an argument here...sorry if it some how came off that way? Although for those keeping score, a rebuttal/counter-point does not equal a "win" regardless of how much you'd like it to.
We can give Robbo the point when the leagues merge. And if they merge under the right conditions (ie some kind of xball type format) then in my opinion paintball wins as a result. If they merge with the greatest format ever played going away (even though it has its shortcommings) it will be at a terrible loss to the sport.
I'd like the leagues to merge. But I don't think it will happen. And I really hope it doesn't happen at Xball's expense. <-- and it sure is expensive so I imagine it might be tempting to kill for some.
dissent said:"point being, robbo 1, dissent 0..."
Didn't realize Robbo and I were in an argument here...sorry if it some how came off that way? Although for those keeping score, a rebuttal/counter-point does not equal a "win" regardless of how much you'd like it to.
We can give Robbo the point when the leagues merge. And if they merge under the right conditions (ie some kind of xball type format) then in my opinion paintball wins as a result. If they merge with the greatest format ever played going away (even though it has its shortcommings) it will be at a terrible loss to the sport.
I'd like the leagues to merge. But I don't think it will happen. And I really hope it doesn't happen at Xball's expense. <-- and it sure is expensive so I imagine it might be tempting to kill for some.
Well I got no idea why anybody would wanna score my first answer to your post but I think he may have been reinforcing the point that for anybody to remain anonymous whilst getting involved in a thread is somewhat cowardly and deceptive and perhaps he thought that was pointworthy...
As for getting into an argument with you....from what I've just read, I don't think I'm in any real disagreement with anything you say and so you'll be getting no arguments from thus far ...but that can change in a heartbeat
Sorry, Pete, but I couldn't let this one pass without at least a comment--or two.Robbo said:
1--while this is certainly true, in my estimation, you leave unstated the obvious follow-up question which is why must TV be satisfied? (Here I'm guessing we might differ a bit.
)2--No, we don't. The path isn't evolutionary at all, it's by design.
And the only restricting going on is subsuming the interests of the Game to the interests of TV (and the peeps chasing that flash.) The goal isn't the improvement of the game. Which you have already admitted, it's creating a "successful" TV product. Of course, every previous effort to make Paintball into a product has done little good on any front. Yet every Paintball braintrust seems determined to sacrifice the game--if necessary--on the altar of TV one more time.
Baca Loco said:Sorry, Pete, but I couldn't let this one pass without at least a comment--or two.
1--while this is certainly true, in my estimation, you leave unstated the obvious follow-up question which is why must TV be satisfied? (Here I'm guessing we might differ a bit.
Yo Paul, sorry mate, I think you may have missed my point on this, I personally am not saying that TV must be satisfied in terms of serving up an appropriate format, I am saying the NPPL are believing this is what they need to do....
The NPPL believe, rightly or wrongly, that their destiny lies along the TV path and as such will do whatever it takes to make sure they are given the right product.
As for why they feel TV has to be satisfied obviously has to be answered by them.
2--No, we don't. The path isn't evolutionary at all, it's by design.
Paul, evolutionary forces are not always arbitrary mate, some can be classified as chance and others as design, nevertheless we evolve from cow marking, thru woodsball to where we are now with a ramshackle pot pouri of design and circumstance playing differing roles during our development.
I am saying that if we allow player pressure to control the direction of the format then it will restrict our game in terms of its TV development because it may not be what they want.
Both my points were written in terms of what the TV wants, what the NPPL are then prepared to do regarding giving them exactly what they want and that evolutionary path (we can debate this classification till the cows come home as u r aware ) either being accelerated or restricted dependent upon adherence to what the TV people want or not....
I hope this explains it all because I think you and I are not so dissimilar in how we view things now....much as that may irk me
1--I thought leaving it at that made it sound matter-of-fact and ... benign.Robbo said:1--Yo Paul, sorry mate, I think you may have missed my point on this, I personally am not saying that TV must be satisfied in terms of serving up an appropriate format, I am saying the NPPL are believing this is what they need to do....
2--The NPPL believe, rightly or wrongly, that their destiny lies along the TV path and as such will do whatever it takes to make sure they are given the right product.
3--As for why they feel TV has to be satisfied obviously has to be answered by them.
4--I am saying that if we allow player pressure to control the direction of the format then it will restrict our game in terms of its TV development because it may not be what they want.
5--Both my points were written in terms of what the TV wants, what the NPPL are then prepared to do regarding giving them exactly what they want and that evolutionary path (we can debate this classification till the cows come home as u r aware ) either being accelerated or restricted dependent upon adherence to what the TV people want or not....
I hope this explains it all because I think you and I are not so dissimilar in how we view things now....much as that may irk me
And was seeing if I could draw out some opinions on TV being the filter the Sport is viewed thru nearly, perhaps, to the exclusion of anything else.2--quite so. But if I might be so bold as to suggest the NPPL isn't synonymous with Paintball ... nor am I familiar with any successful pre-packaged, "massaged" sports. At least not longer term.
3--We could speculate. In fact I have--often.
4--"in terms of its TV development" strikes me as an unusual conditional qualifier. Perhaps what American soccer needs is some TV execs deciding what would make it popular on TV. Hey, I know, in other American sports players use their hands so, ipso facto, soccer needs to get rid of that no hands nonsense for a starter. TV says so, so it must be a good idea.
5--a bit too clinical for me, Pete. Give me that good old time rabble rousing populism.
6--Come on over to the dark side.
Dodge (pba) said:If only all things were so simple......
..thank heaven so many girlfriends are......it makes explaining things so much less arduous
I'll stuck ducking now.....