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Is there something missing in paintball?

Robbo

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There are two highly important [and already mentioned] qualities in our sport that ultimately determine the direction it takes.
I repeat them because nobody of yet has explained their interaction.

Although the fun factor and expense have already been made mention of, these two factors perform a dance around each other, both affecting the other, both hostage to the other .....

We all know paintball is expensive, and for the most part, the cost has decreased for the tournament player and I think also for the site player, and this obviously prompts the question, then why do we see a decline in the tournament area?

First off, site business isn't affected as much because people who tend to go to sites tend also to play a lot less than ballers like us, a lot less.
And also, for the most part, site paintball remains pretty much unchanged in terms of formats than when paintball first came over in the mid-eighties, and so it's fair to say, the fun element is still apparent in site paintball.
Tournament paintball however, has undergone many changes and the XBall format we now have is killing us ... XBall was only ever appropriate all the time sufficient support came from the industry and of course, we were also believing we were on the verge of TV uptake ... but now, the money's gone, the TV never materialised and..we still got XBall hanging like an anvil around our necks ... it's gotta go guys.

Secondly, the dance I referred to is being played out now and it goes something like this ...

Step 1. People will always indulge themselves. [the fun factor for want of a better descriptive]

Step 2. Sport / hobbies is a prime indulgence of people.

Step 3. Addictive pastimes will always push people to their financial limit.

Step 4. The more addictive the pastime, the greater that financial envelope is nudged.

Step 5. There is always a critical cut off point whereby any dance between fun and expense is finally ended when either the fun element decreases or the financial capability also decreases.
[This cut-off point is probably defined easily enough and I suppsoe can be better represented as some form of ratio derivative between expense and fun].

Step 6. The real problems for any indulgence [sport] are experienced when both the fun factor and ability to afford both decrease, and that is EXACTLY what we have now.

I was kinda hoping the Federation's main goal was to put the fun factor back in by implementing certain measures and allowing our sport to grow organically.
I don't like that word 'organically' when describing situations like this because it's a buzz word at the moment but it does describe an appropriate directive because if we now grow organically then we immediately have common rule books and standards of practice, locked leagues would die and there would be a complete overhaul of our tournament scene.

Organic in this sense, requires our sport to allow market forces and common sense to dictate the direction we evolve; at the moment, no such allowance is being made because certain people are more interested in protecting their income streams instead of doing the right thing.

Leave the sport well alone in terms of not imposing personal dictates and we will grow naturally; we do not greed providing manacles for our sport, we need a less intrusive strategy.
 

PortoX

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I believe paintball is missing individuals that want to manage teams rather than play and manage them. Teams in the states have coaches and huge infrastructures (don't get me wrong mostly parents of team members etc ...) but they all play their individual role in some way. I know theres the likes of Rich Telford etc ... But look at the best teams in the UK they have at least 1 or 2 individuals that don't play to help create the opportunities for the teams to attend events with out the stress of having to do bookings and then perform once they arrive.

Yes I am also very aware this is hard to do but its my two pence. My best playing experience was on a team that had a manager that breathed life into the team the whole way through but got annoyed when he couldn't play as much as he wanted. And thus we folded.

I personally think managers are mental for taking on the tasks, but if we got better as a country things might pick up and people get paid or at least subsidized to such tasks!
 

Missy-Q

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Why does almost everybody keep focusing on tournament teams? They are a minute part of paintball... And some of the things I read here are just deluded.
Seconded.

Those who think that dedicated team managers for established Tournament teams are 'what's missing in paintball' raise their hands....

Those that think that the way to get the paintball industry out of a financial slump is to 'make it cheaper' please leave the room. I just can't take it anymore!! How does someone apply thought to this issue and then come up with a 'make it cheaper' conclusion? By that same thought process, if everyone could play for free, there would be a ton of new players, right? Surely that means everyone is better off.....?

I mean, it doesn't take a large grasp of economics to know that 'more money needed' must eventually translate into 'prices raised' if there is no rise in participation.
FYI - Participation is down at the competitive level. Therefore companies that cater to competitive paintballers are going to have to raise prices or cheapen their BOM to the point that they can still float while maintaining their existing price structure.

People who play at fields get a great deal for a day out. It does not need to be cheaper for them, in fact, in many cases it should be more expensive, that would allow for investment in 'video-game-style' fields, which would attract more players at a higher price.
 

Missy-Q

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Also, why are you asking for more events? last I heard there are conflicting events all the time, and numerous domestic leagues. Why not just support one of those properly? Why does there always need to be a new one? A better one? Try supporting an existing one, and make it successful, then, 'hey presto' you have a great league, and you didn't even have to look anywhere else...

I've had it with these 'what should paintball do?' threads. Its the same old crap. "Give us another league", "make it cheaper", "give us better refs", "better locations".......
How about you guys show up to an event all at the same time, and pay your money. That way people might have faith in you.

I say 'you' in the general sense. Not anyone in particular.
 

DJForbes

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Seconded.

Those who think that dedicated team managers for established Tournament teams are 'what's missing in paintball' raise their hands....

Those that think that the way to get the paintball industry out of a financial slump is to 'make it cheaper' please leave the room. I just can't take it anymore!! How does someone apply thought to this issue and then come up with a 'make it cheaper' conclusion? By that same thought process, if everyone could play for free, there would be a ton of new players, right? Surely that means everyone is better off.....?

I mean, it doesn't take a large grasp of economics to know that 'more money needed' must eventually translate into 'prices raised' if there is no rise in participation.
FYI - Participation is down at the competitive level. Therefore companies that cater to competitive paintballers are going to have to raise prices or cheapen their BOM to the point that they can still float while maintaining their existing price structure.

People who play at fields get a great deal for a day out. It does not need to be cheaper for them, in fact, in many cases it should be more expensive, that would allow for investment in 'video-game-style' fields, which would attract more players at a higher price.

your wrong.

finance works very simply. if there is a demand the price goes up if there is not it drops.
now paintball has lost the demand factor (or so am told) which means if prices rise its unlikly to bring in new people. however if the lower prices and bring back in the demand they can then raise prices.

and to add to it the world is poor and high priced sports will see losses in players. paintball is far above the price of football and a trip to the cinema.
 

Tony Harrison

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As I understand it, we need to encourage players to move up through the ranks from rental customers to tournament players.

I saw an advert for an indoor site in the local paper back in Summer 1990, played there once and then saw a copy of Paintball Adventures with an article on Mayhem 1990, and through this I got into tournament paintball.

Given that it is now pretty much impossible to get a paintball magazine in a regular bookstore in the UK, this line of communication to the masses is now dead.

So, the way I see it is that we need something to give away to rental customers to show them that there is more to paintball than just rental play.

My first thought was that I could produce a short DVD showing the evolution from rental to tournament, hosted by Nicky T - he has the right personality for this.

My second thought was to simplify it - how about a flyer giving them the web addresses
for P8NT, 'Nation, Derder, MWAG and the Planet webcasts?

I'm just spitballing here, but option 2 seems cheap and workable.

:)
 

DJForbes

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why dont we as a forum try and do something ? all i see is talking. actions speek louder than words ive been told. i dont have much spare time but am happy to pretend to help out :p

As I understand it, we need to encourage players to move up through the ranks from rental customers to tournament players.

I saw an advert for an indoor site in the local paper back in Summer 1990, played there once and then saw a copy of Paintball Adventures with an article on Mayhem 1990, and through this I got into tournament paintball.

Given that it is now pretty much impossible to get a paintball magazine in a regular bookstore in the UK, this line of communication to the masses is now dead.

So, the way I see it is that we need something to give away to rental customers to show them that there is more to paintball than just rental play.

My first thought was that I could produce a short DVD showing the evolution from rental to tournament, hosted by Nicky T - he has the right personality for this.

My second thought was to simplify it - how about a flyer giving them the web addresses
for P8NT, 'Nation, Derder, MWAG and the Planet webcasts?

I'm just spitballing here, but option 2 seems cheap and workable.

:)
 

DJForbes

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Is that a sharpening of knives I hear in the distance?

*Sits back, grabs popcorn.*

its my normal comment but there is thousands of situations to prove it.

sum1 wants something they pay for it more people want it they pay more. look at the last geos. only 10 of them and there no better than a ego so why the £5k or what ever they went for.