wiping does sort of undermine the whole point of the game doesn't it?
I guess that's why they give heavier penalites for wiping than playing on.
I guess that's why they give heavier penalites for wiping than playing on.
Is cheating ok in Xball?
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GUYS!
Cheating should not exist full stop! Why should we all play at a lower level? Surely we can all respect one another, if that is half of us are REAL men and women.......
What I think really sux is when a fresh young player is being told by another player (oops, did I say that I meant cheater) to cheat and how to get away with it.....you know who you are bud and i will talk to you on Sunday......
And to that guy dissing my old school policies
, I was talking about the proper English gent who would stand for all things true and be chivalrous to the end.
Do you have any of those in the US? Or maybe Canada?
Peace
Cheating should not exist full stop! Why should we all play at a lower level? Surely we can all respect one another, if that is half of us are REAL men and women.......
What I think really sux is when a fresh young player is being told by another player (oops, did I say that I meant cheater) to cheat and how to get away with it.....you know who you are bud and i will talk to you on Sunday......
And to that guy dissing my old school policies
, I was talking about the proper English gent who would stand for all things true and be chivalrous to the end.Do you have any of those in the US? Or maybe Canada?
Peace
It looks like this X-ball lark is gonna be pretty easy, you just waltz up the middle of the field, wiping off any paint that appears and playing on.
Then you get the flag and head for the flag hang, but wait a minute, the other team is doing the same, despite the fact you shot them all. Ahh thats right, cheating is ok! so no-one is leaving the field.
I hope the ruling body agree with Robbo here that penalties should be more strict, 2 minutes in the penalty box is nothing!
And I don't think this coming out of the penalty box to an advantage is a good thing by the sound of it, the penalty box should be placed in a less advantageous position and there should be some kind of signal that a player is being released (if that doesn't already happen?)
Then you get the flag and head for the flag hang, but wait a minute, the other team is doing the same, despite the fact you shot them all. Ahh thats right, cheating is ok! so no-one is leaving the field.
I hope the ruling body agree with Robbo here that penalties should be more strict, 2 minutes in the penalty box is nothing!
And I don't think this coming out of the penalty box to an advantage is a good thing by the sound of it, the penalty box should be placed in a less advantageous position and there should be some kind of signal that a player is being released (if that doesn't already happen?)
not quite right there Thunder cat,
if you whipe off the hit you get a major penalty, (i think it's 4 minutes) but if you just carry on, it's only a 2 minute penalty.
The trick is to play on, and not wipe off the hits
The thing to remember about x-ball, is that it's designed with the spectator in mind. Penaltys suck for players, but for spectators they make the game more interesting. In one sense (only) it makes sense to encourage people to cheat, because then you have this penalty event in the game, and it changes the posibilities and keeps the spectators on the edge of their seats.
The way x-ball will change the way cheating is viewed in paintball, is one of those negative side effects to the race to get paintball televised. We all want TV money ( or do we), but are we prepared to sacrafice the integrety of the sport to get it?
But the flip side of that is it really sucks to have a team win against you because the cheated, wiped, played on, whatever.
But all of this is assuming that we're not talking about ramping guns, or cheating that defies the safety of the sport. Wiping and playing on destroy the moral integrety of the soort, but gun cheats (particularly velocity cheats) actually endanger people's lives, and need to be delt with harshly.
if you whipe off the hit you get a major penalty, (i think it's 4 minutes) but if you just carry on, it's only a 2 minute penalty.
The trick is to play on, and not wipe off the hits
The thing to remember about x-ball, is that it's designed with the spectator in mind. Penaltys suck for players, but for spectators they make the game more interesting. In one sense (only) it makes sense to encourage people to cheat, because then you have this penalty event in the game, and it changes the posibilities and keeps the spectators on the edge of their seats.
The way x-ball will change the way cheating is viewed in paintball, is one of those negative side effects to the race to get paintball televised. We all want TV money ( or do we), but are we prepared to sacrafice the integrety of the sport to get it?
But the flip side of that is it really sucks to have a team win against you because the cheated, wiped, played on, whatever.
But all of this is assuming that we're not talking about ramping guns, or cheating that defies the safety of the sport. Wiping and playing on destroy the moral integrety of the soort, but gun cheats (particularly velocity cheats) actually endanger people's lives, and need to be delt with harshly.
I agree with this, but not everybody does, and that's the problem. Some people just don't get it.
Ahem brother Col, exactly the post I wanted to make.
Lets also be frank, X-ball didn't usher in cheating either. People cheated in 7 man, 5 man, woodland etc etc etc. Infact Wiping could be more or as prevalent in these format variants as X-Ball. X Ball isn't the devils sport, it's simply introduced a new rule set, and a different view on the punishment for cheats. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the X-ball penalty system, this is the rules by which we currently play. I totally agree with Colins statement, rightly or wrongly X-ball caters towards an audience, and audience needs to feel emotive about the teams it watches. What better way of doing this than providing a "villain" to the proceedings. The risk versus reward nature to playing on, probably also makes for faster games, adding a further dynamic to X-ball. A sheisty move pulled against you, can only win the opposition 1 point, whereas can lose you the whole game in other format variants. Thinking back to numerous Pro games at Campaign, games were won by certain players playing on, and pulling shady moves. The supposed sacrosanct rule system in 7 man never stopped them pulling these moves, and these cheats either did or could have completely finished the "wronged" teams tournaments. Yes the risk or punishment for playing on may be less in X than other formats (and as I believe the lesser punishment does make for faster games), but a player who does it here, will do it anywhere.
I do agree that serious cheats (i.e. those involving safety such as velocity hikes and ramping), or repetative transgressions (i.e. toting up of minor penalties this should hopefully prevent players from constantly playing on), should be dealt with in a more serious manner, including bans. X Ball does have a problem with gun cheats, which must be addressed. However I believe that with refinement the penalty system for X, could operate far better than that of other format, especially as whole games cannot so frequently rest on a single transgression (if you get what I mean).
There are teams and players who earn dignity and respect by sticking to both the rules and spirit of the game, whereas there will always be teams and players who believe that the only dignity in playing is from winning. Serious transgressions aside, this is the nature of most physical sports (that come to mind), and pushing the rules is down to the individuals themselves.
I'm not condoning any actions on field, sheisty or not. Merely making an observation on the nature of the game and those playing it. I disagree with the implication that X-ball or the players are the root cause of paintballs evils, because cheating exists at all levels in all tournament series.
Lets also be frank, X-ball didn't usher in cheating either. People cheated in 7 man, 5 man, woodland etc etc etc. Infact Wiping could be more or as prevalent in these format variants as X-Ball. X Ball isn't the devils sport, it's simply introduced a new rule set, and a different view on the punishment for cheats. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the X-ball penalty system, this is the rules by which we currently play. I totally agree with Colins statement, rightly or wrongly X-ball caters towards an audience, and audience needs to feel emotive about the teams it watches. What better way of doing this than providing a "villain" to the proceedings. The risk versus reward nature to playing on, probably also makes for faster games, adding a further dynamic to X-ball. A sheisty move pulled against you, can only win the opposition 1 point, whereas can lose you the whole game in other format variants. Thinking back to numerous Pro games at Campaign, games were won by certain players playing on, and pulling shady moves. The supposed sacrosanct rule system in 7 man never stopped them pulling these moves, and these cheats either did or could have completely finished the "wronged" teams tournaments. Yes the risk or punishment for playing on may be less in X than other formats (and as I believe the lesser punishment does make for faster games), but a player who does it here, will do it anywhere.
I do agree that serious cheats (i.e. those involving safety such as velocity hikes and ramping), or repetative transgressions (i.e. toting up of minor penalties this should hopefully prevent players from constantly playing on), should be dealt with in a more serious manner, including bans. X Ball does have a problem with gun cheats, which must be addressed. However I believe that with refinement the penalty system for X, could operate far better than that of other format, especially as whole games cannot so frequently rest on a single transgression (if you get what I mean).
There are teams and players who earn dignity and respect by sticking to both the rules and spirit of the game, whereas there will always be teams and players who believe that the only dignity in playing is from winning. Serious transgressions aside, this is the nature of most physical sports (that come to mind), and pushing the rules is down to the individuals themselves.
I'm not condoning any actions on field, sheisty or not. Merely making an observation on the nature of the game and those playing it. I disagree with the implication that X-ball or the players are the root cause of paintballs evils, because cheating exists at all levels in all tournament series.
Yup, and if your gonna wipe, we may as well all start shouting bang. If we all cheat then ditch the markers......... we can save money then just argue about whether we got each other.
"I got him first"
"I had my fingers crossed I was safe"
Like being nine years old again.
"I got him first"
"I had my fingers crossed I was safe"
Like being nine years old again.
Cheating exists at all levels of Paintball - not just Competitions
It's just the high profile nature of X-ball that is causing it to draw all the criticism IMOOh, and Jose - I had 'no crossies' so you're still out!