Inter-university Paintball Tournament
- Thread starter Steve Hancock
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Exec Strucure
Hmm, my only concern with having an exec made up of all of the societies presidents is that that is a lot of people. To get people together will be difficult. Who ever has time at most tournaments for this sort of thing, I know we didn't last time.
I would propose that each society get 1 vote per society within the association (irrespective of size), perhaps on the condition that they have a team competing at the annual event (I've not quite thought that through, but it seems like a good idea at the moment).
The will change every year, but the Chair will (hopefully) remain the same for at least a few years.
My suggestions are geared towards making the association as easy to run as poosible. I see the madate for the association as follows:
->Provide an offical body for student paintball (allowing Uni paintball to be taken more seriously).
->Run Inter Uni competitions (either Match format and/or annual tournament)
-> Liase with the UKPSF with regards to BUSA and Sport England
-> Investigate and persue student discounts/sponsorship.
I don't think this sort of thing will require huge amounts of admin, money, voting etc. It will very much depend on how much work the exec are willing to put into it. Obviously if they are achieving things then the exec will be re-ellected (and then form them the future Chairs may be chosen).
Perhaps the UK Competition Paintball Association would be a better name, unless people feel that rec-ball should aslo be part of the association's mandate.
Sorry this is a bit of a brain dump...
Richard
Hmm, my only concern with having an exec made up of all of the societies presidents is that that is a lot of people. To get people together will be difficult. Who ever has time at most tournaments for this sort of thing, I know we didn't last time.
I would propose that each society get 1 vote per society within the association (irrespective of size), perhaps on the condition that they have a team competing at the annual event (I've not quite thought that through, but it seems like a good idea at the moment).
The will change every year, but the Chair will (hopefully) remain the same for at least a few years.
My suggestions are geared towards making the association as easy to run as poosible. I see the madate for the association as follows:
->Provide an offical body for student paintball (allowing Uni paintball to be taken more seriously).
->Run Inter Uni competitions (either Match format and/or annual tournament)
-> Liase with the UKPSF with regards to BUSA and Sport England
-> Investigate and persue student discounts/sponsorship.
I don't think this sort of thing will require huge amounts of admin, money, voting etc. It will very much depend on how much work the exec are willing to put into it. Obviously if they are achieving things then the exec will be re-ellected (and then form them the future Chairs may be chosen).
Perhaps the UK Competition Paintball Association would be a better name, unless people feel that rec-ball should aslo be part of the association's mandate.
Sorry this is a bit of a brain dump...
Richard
I definately agree that a central body would help organise us paintballing students. It makes things a bit more likely to happen when there is a chain of responsibility in place.
I would love to see another Inter Uni tourney the last one was cracking.
If it goes ahead Im gonna try and raise another Salford Squad, gotta remind you all what welts feel like
I would love to see another Inter Uni tourney the last one was cracking.
If it goes ahead Im gonna try and raise another Salford Squad, gotta remind you all what welts feel like
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raehl
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Recball is incredibly important.
That's where your growth is, and that's where your value is. You'll get a lot more support as a team bringing a bunch of recballers out to your local field every month than you will as just a team. Teams with customers are worth more than teams with trophies.
As for organization, stateside we do the 1 vote per club thing as well, which is used to elect a board, and the board picks the officers. It somewhat shields the officers from being too directly responsible to too many people, but makes sure there's a variety of opinions represented at the top level to make sure the organization is going in the right direction.
We've never really had a successful face-to-face meeting - we do all our organiational stuff online. I do most of the day-to-day stuff pretty autonomously, the Board lets me know if they have concerns (as do players through the forum), and I run stuff by them if anything major comes along. As long as they're happy I get to stick around another year.
Your biggest obstacle is going to be finding an executive insane enough to do the necessary work for no compensation.
- Chris
That's where your growth is, and that's where your value is. You'll get a lot more support as a team bringing a bunch of recballers out to your local field every month than you will as just a team. Teams with customers are worth more than teams with trophies.
As for organization, stateside we do the 1 vote per club thing as well, which is used to elect a board, and the board picks the officers. It somewhat shields the officers from being too directly responsible to too many people, but makes sure there's a variety of opinions represented at the top level to make sure the organization is going in the right direction.
We've never really had a successful face-to-face meeting - we do all our organiational stuff online. I do most of the day-to-day stuff pretty autonomously, the Board lets me know if they have concerns (as do players through the forum), and I run stuff by them if anything major comes along. As long as they're happy I get to stick around another year.
Your biggest obstacle is going to be finding an executive insane enough to do the necessary work for no compensation.
- Chris
I see a UK Uni/Student Paintball Body being the thing that student paintball has been lacking in this country - continuity.
I see the main roles (for the time being)
Providing assistance/knowledge to those having troubles setting up Paintball Clubs at Uni
Sort out BUSA recognition (obviously liaise with UKPSF re: Sports Council progress - I see a similar fight, as well as the fact that BUSA want us to be recognised by Sports Council before they'll think about it)
Sort out a couple of tourneys per year. Hopefulyl in a couple of years time, we'd be able to progress to a league system with regular matches, tho it would be an ar$e for, say Exeter to travel to Durham for a single match (even something like an X-Ball style day) - something to be sorted for future methinks.
I agree with the time for meetings during the Uni tourney thing - this could possibly work if the uni tourney was day before the regular tourney (like last year) and all participants can stay awake after 9PM Maybe arrange for a meeting one evening in the bar at Campaign Cup - I guess most uni's will have a representative there, if only to watch.
I feel that rec-ball should definately be included in the big picture - after all, (and I'm using Portsmouth Uni as an example here, for obvious reasons), club members = 140-ish, Tourney team members = 15, maybe 20 in a freak year. I don't think those sort of figures can be ignored, and the majority of "new starter clubs", which will be the ones which probably require some assistance, will be mostly doing rec-ball for their first year or two.
I think the main thing to think of initially, is who we cater for, is it going to be a "student thing", and include the likes of sixth form colleges etc, or for now is it going to be a "uni thing" to aid with the BUSA business? My vote goes for a uni thing, which should also make the setting up/admin-ing stuff a little easier.
[Edit - oh my word, I just agreed with Chris about something. and the online thing for the organisational stuff was something I meant to put in my post and forgot. zoiks]
I see the main roles (for the time being)
Providing assistance/knowledge to those having troubles setting up Paintball Clubs at Uni
Sort out BUSA recognition (obviously liaise with UKPSF re: Sports Council progress - I see a similar fight, as well as the fact that BUSA want us to be recognised by Sports Council before they'll think about it)
Sort out a couple of tourneys per year. Hopefulyl in a couple of years time, we'd be able to progress to a league system with regular matches, tho it would be an ar$e for, say Exeter to travel to Durham for a single match (even something like an X-Ball style day) - something to be sorted for future methinks.
I agree with the time for meetings during the Uni tourney thing - this could possibly work if the uni tourney was day before the regular tourney (like last year) and all participants can stay awake after 9PM
Maybe arrange for a meeting one evening in the bar at Campaign Cup - I guess most uni's will have a representative there, if only to watch.I feel that rec-ball should definately be included in the big picture - after all, (and I'm using Portsmouth Uni as an example here, for obvious reasons), club members = 140-ish, Tourney team members = 15, maybe 20 in a freak year. I don't think those sort of figures can be ignored, and the majority of "new starter clubs", which will be the ones which probably require some assistance, will be mostly doing rec-ball for their first year or two.
I think the main thing to think of initially, is who we cater for, is it going to be a "student thing", and include the likes of sixth form colleges etc, or for now is it going to be a "uni thing" to aid with the BUSA business? My vote goes for a uni thing, which should also make the setting up/admin-ing stuff a little easier.
[Edit - oh my word, I just agreed with Chris about something. and the online thing for the organisational stuff was something I meant to put in my post and forgot. zoiks]
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raehl
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Re: Chairman
I do have pretty much free reign to operate within some basic policy and the law though, which is important - I'd strongly encourage selecting one person who has minimal industry connections and a good amount of experience organizing college clubs (painball preferred) who is going to have the authority to make pretty much any decision. Make his ability to keep their position dependent on some sort of committee/board that he reports to, but don't put him in the position where every decision needs to have 7 people vote on it - that'll cost you.
- Chris
Righto. Since the executives are the guys who deal with people outside the organization, you want to change them as little as possible. Having long-term executives also builds up experience - if you're switching in the people who you expect to make the decisions every year, you're losing a lot of experience. I've been the Pres since day one, which means when people outside the NCPA need to get ahold of us, they're familiar with who they're talking to. My "bosses" are the Board of Directors, 7 students. They've got zero authority by themselves, but as a group can override/direct me. Their bosses are the clubs who elect them every year.
I do have pretty much free reign to operate within some basic policy and the law though, which is important - I'd strongly encourage selecting one person who has minimal industry connections and a good amount of experience organizing college clubs (painball preferred) who is going to have the authority to make pretty much any decision. Make his ability to keep their position dependent on some sort of committee/board that he reports to, but don't put him in the position where every decision needs to have 7 people vote on it - that'll cost you.
- Chris
I agree it is best to piggy back our inter uni matches with regular tourneys.
Could be a good idea to spread all the games over several events and keep a league type thing, this way there is alot of flexibility in raising a team.
Or it might be easier to organise one big event like last year, that was the most chilled out event ive ever been to
Raehl if we entered a team into a the collegiate world cup, how much are we looking at in terms of cost?
Would we be able to enter a team made up of players from several UK Unis? I doubt many Unis have enough committed players to get a whole team over the pond.
Could be a good idea to spread all the games over several events and keep a league type thing, this way there is alot of flexibility in raising a team.
Or it might be easier to organise one big event like last year, that was the most chilled out event ive ever been to
Raehl if we entered a team into a the collegiate world cup, how much are we looking at in terms of cost?
Would we be able to enter a team made up of players from several UK Unis? I doubt many Unis have enough committed players to get a whole team over the pond.
Sorry I didn't make myself clear, I meant that every member of the exec has to be a club president, not every club president has to be on the exec. As you said it would be a nightmare if every club had to come to every exec meeting.
I agree about every club president having a vote at general meetings, in electing new exec members or for major decisions for example.
I don't think we need to actively rule Recball out, as the natural focus will be on competition play anyway. Also new clubs starting up will not jump straight in to the tournament scene, they will need to make the natural progression from woodland Recball to developing a core of interested players who then start playing competitively. If we are to support them and involve them in the association we need to cater for them when they start out.
Not only that, but the established clubs need to keep entry level paintball (Recball) going, in order to bring new players to in. Imagine you rock up to Uni and you have never played football, never scene a football match didn’t even know there was a competitive side to it (you would have been just like my girlfriend.) would you go and join the university footy team? No, but you might join in a kick around in the park one day, and start to get in to it that way.
Plus there is the whole big game scenario scene, my club are planning to go to the Star wars big game in October, if we have clubs going to these events and we are big enough to have an influence, it would be a shame not to represent them to the organisers (E.g. not arranging major events during exam time.) Also if we get big enough we might be able to hold our own events, which could be a right laugh.
United Kingdom University Paintball Association
I'd like to propose Mat (Flash bugout) for the graduate position of president.
Provided there is no objections, to take effect immediate pending ratification at first general meeting, in order to get the ball rolling.
I'd like to propose Mat (Flash bugout) for the graduate position of president.
Provided there is no objections, to take effect immediate pending ratification at first general meeting, in order to get the ball rolling.