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Robbo

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I Was Wrrr...rrr.....ong !!!!!!!!

For years I have been defending the pro scene both over here in Europe and in the United States. There have been a legion of critics who lined up to attack the NPPL (and by extension pros over here) and I would engage those critics in fierce debate and would generally beat their ass into the ground (metaphorically speaking of course) because nearly all of those critics had never been anywhere near a pro tournament and were generally critical because they were just plain jealous.
Over the past week or so, I have had to reflect on many things regarding the pro circuits here and in the States and what has become apparent is that when bad behaviour erupts at either the NPPL or at the Millennium, it generally involves the top teams and I have to say, those teams tend to be American.
But before anybody thinks this is going to be an anti-yank critique, I would qualify that last statement by saying that in the NPPL, virtually all the teams who qualify for the semi-finals and finals are American and the Millennium also tends to have the American teams in our semi-finals and finals.
So, to state that most bad behaviour is American based is misleading, it would be more accurate to say that most bad behaviour is in the semi-finals and finals in the pro sections of the NPPL and Millennium tournaments.
And it is here; I have to acknowledge that perhaps my staunch and sometimes blind defence of what I believed (and still do) to be the best leagues in the World may flounder a little.
I have witnessed many such outbursts (of which I have been involved in a fair few) and they do seem to erupt in the games where top pro teams are playing.
There is without any doubt (getting scientific here) a statistical significance between bad behaviour and pro teams…..No argument, I am in denial no more !!!
The reason for this is varied and I am sure people will offer up all kinds of speculations but I believe it is a combination of pressure to perform that perhaps the pros feel a little more than other teams and ineffective judging.
Pros, whether we like to acknowledge it or not, sometimes get away with murder and it is this lack of consistent adjudication, coupled with pressure that produces the unfortunate circumstances for players at the top end to act like idiots.
Like most areas of life, behaviour will always tend to descend toward the lowest common denominator if no restrictions or deterrents are imposed.
Paintball is in no way immune from these inclinations.
Let’s get this sorted by educating and empowering the judges, only this way can we all enjoy the game we love so much.
And from a selfish point of view, and I think I speak for the vast majority of pros both over here and in the States, if we were to effect these changes, people at all levels of the game would begin to respect us for whatever skill we may possess rather than revile us for our bad behaviour and end up ignoring any good points we may have.
Just my opinion u understand :)
Any ideas anyone ?
Robbo
 

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hmm..

What caused this juggernaut-sized U-turn?
Was it a particular mis-deed that caused you to change your mind? If so, please tell more...

Also, you dont really say what you mean by 'bad behavior'. Do you mean premeditated, game-related bad-ness (like wiping/ playing on) or do you mean ego/off the cuff bad-ness (like throwing guns/ shouting at refs)?

Anyway, I have to agree with you; of all the pro games I've seen (not many), they were always the most controversial. Conversely they were also the most entertaining.

Coincidence? Maybe.

Jan.
 

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hmm..

Originally posted by JanSolo
What caused this juggernaut-sized U-turn?
Was it a particular mis-deed that caused you to change your mind? If so, please tell more...
Also, you dont really say what you mean by 'bad behavior'. Do you mean premeditated, game-related bad-ness (like wiping/ playing on) or do you mean ego/off the cuff bad-ness (like throwing guns/ shouting at refs)?
Anyway, I have to agree with you; of all the pro games I've seen (not many), they were always the most controversial. Conversely they were also the most entertaining.
Coincidence? Maybe.
Jan.
I have had no 'Road to Damascus' experience, more like an enlightenment really when I seriously considered the subject of bad behaviour and its occurrences.
My knee jerk defence of pros had over the years clouded my appreciation of what was going on but in my defence, I have to say, the problem has become worse in recent years and it is only now, I can perhaps acknowledge the true nature of the problem.

The bad behaviour I am refering to is gun throwing, bad mouthing and the like.
Cheating in the form of wiping and 'playing on' is not exclusively a pro problem, that applies to all levels of the game with what I believe, equal frequency.
Robbo
 
The reason it happens is cos most pros have tiny dicks...it's an insecurity thing.

Lasoya's nickname is Justin...cos that's how far he gets it, just in. Little John wasn't chrsitened lil John was he? And Nob Long? Misnomer if ever I heard one...So there you have it. Get a compulsory dick measuring station next to the chrono station, weed out the little men and you'll have no more trouble, mark my words.

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I don't think this is a paintball exclusive.
Look at any sport. In what leagues will you see the most arguing with refs, and the most egotistical behavior? The pro leagues.
In my opinion this is blatantly obvious in soccer. If someone pulls some stupid stuff, and gets a card for it, you'll see not only him, but a number of teammates getting in the ref's face (and I mean IN his face) calling him all sort of nasty names.
I think that allowing that to happen is bad for any sport. Refs should have the means and the guts to do something about it, like throwing the involved players off the field. Again, this applies to many sports.
The reasons it's happening are obvious. There's a lot at stake for these people, plus you don't get to be at the top of the foodchain by being docile. Most top athletes are prone to bursts of egotripping. But the bad thing is that it's being allowed to happen. What you will see is that, if no action is taken to stop it at it's highest level (the pro ranks), it'll spread to the ams and other leagues too. Go to any sunday morning local soccer game, and you'll see players cussing out the refs, because that's what they see on tv, so that's how it's supposed to be done.

Robbo, in all honesty, I don't see that much of a turnaround in your point of view. It has perhaps shifted a little, but not 180 degrees. I do however fully agree with what you say, and the problems you see.
 

rancid

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Hold on a sec, I thought everyone wanted paintball to be like all the other sports? I'm with buddha on this - I like seeing all that gobbing off; throwing guns etc, crikey I made a career out of it. C'mon, painball like ice hockey not f in chess.
 
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i marshaled for the first time at the midland masters last sunday and there was a hue buts up on our field.

One guy in a bunker was getting covered in spray and i was only a meter from him watching the whole thing. The opposition however were going mad saying he should have been pulled ages ago. The whole thing came to a head when the guy in question shot out a member of the opposition who was not happy and expressed this to the other players in the dead zone from the same team as the guy covered in spray.

Not having much experience with marshaling i just stuck to what i thought, looked over to the dead zone and told them all to chill out.

The game ended in a draw and i expected a long argument but much to my suprise at the time the two teams kissed and made up. In fact the guys saw that i was right and were congratulating me for making a good call and not breaking under pressure.

My point is (yes i have one) that most ballers have a huge sence of.............something, erm, brotherhood.........or something hard to describe. And that though things get heated on the field, thats as far as it goes most of the time and thats what great about paintball

that and a million other things.
 

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Originally posted by TJ Lambini
The reason it happens is cos most pros have tiny dicks...it's an insecurity thing.

Lasoya's nickname is Justin...cos that's how far he gets it, just in. Little John wasn't chrsitened lil John was he? And Nob Long? Misnomer if ever I heard one...So there you have it. Get a compulsory dick measuring station next to the chrono station, weed out the little men and you'll have no more trouble, mark my words.

Peace
That was probably the second funniest thing I have ever heard!!!:D :D