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Furby

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While I would object to any assumptions of projected morality on my part, the intent of the article was to promote discussion of an issue that I personally felt has been tragically under-addressed. Hypocrisy in the media extends well beyond the niche market of paintball, and it's something that's usually winked and nodded at. The purists who demand a return to the old days of pumps and 12 grams undoubtedly disagree with my tendencies to shoot way too fast (Though legally) and use too much paint. It might even be said that it's hypocritical of me to label myself as an "Old School" 'baller while using the latest in technology and technique. Such is the nature of debate. It's a free world, and my opinions are not the only ones with merit. It would be arrogant of me to think otherwise.

Agree with me or not, I don't particularly care. The intent was to generate discussion, and the editorial has done a fine job of that. If there are ruffled feathers in the process, then I see it as a byproduct of open discussion.
 
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duffistuta

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Originally posted by Furby
It's a free world, and my opinions are not the only ones with merit.
You see, it's only the odd weak-minded aside like that that stopped us offering you a Mod post Mr F...
 

Matski

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F your opinion aint worth squat... arrogance is bliss, give me the job D:D ;)

EDIT ADDED: Nice try but you obviously want it too much. Another criterion is contempt for the honor. TFP
 

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
Uh-oh, Dale, you're the recipient of a numbered response

Originally posted by Furby
1--While I would object to any assumptions of projected morality on my part,

2--the intent of the article was to promote discussion of an issue that I personally felt has been tragically under-addressed. Hypocrisy in the media extends well beyond the niche market of paintball, and it's something that's usually winked and nodded at.
1--please look up definition of hypocrisy, Dale. :) I don't see how a moral component can be avoided with a charge of hypocrisy. (And that was part of Mr. D's thinking as well, given his posts.)

2--true enough and worthy of discussion--which is precisely what we's doing.

Duffy--low blow. :eek: :)
 
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duffistuta

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Uh-oh, Dale, you're the recipient of a numbered response

Originally posted by Baca Loco


Duffy--low blow.
Why thank you.













Wait, that wasn't a request, was it? :eek:
 

Ben Frain

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I think the problem is in p8nt taking some revenue for the ad. This is a great resource and it's your call on how you generate revenue. However sometimes the moral ambiguity displayed by some of the mods (Stongle/TJ in this instance) reeks of piss.

Whether you like it or not, despite the words of 'fairness' and 'discussion' the actions here say 'sellout'. Articles in PGI speak of 'gun cheats' - not 'gun enhancers' - be man enough to swallow the whole pill. If you have no problem with gun cheats, and want the revenue from their promotion here then endorse them. But you can't blur the lines when it suits you and expect no one to be a little shocked.

I find your lame attempts to bypass the issue with posts like ...

"Is tha product illegal at all Paintball fields?

No.

End of story."

patronising. This is a purpose built 'cheat' chip, regardless of it's possible use for legitimate reasons. It is being advertised on a tournament paintball site, the majority of the active posters here play in tournaments. The majority of tournaments around the globe are semi-auto affairs. Draw your own conclusions as to just how valid an argument that is.

I also think the seperation of PGI from p8ntballer, whilst valid to a degree (from your point of view) is not seen by your customers. I consider these forums the 'live' discussion area of the publication and the areas it reports upon. It even says PGI online at the top - what are we supposed to think?

Furthermore, every top end electro out there can ramp like a mofo straight out of the tin (no add on chips/software required). Timmy's DM4's Angels etc etc. They can and do all do it. The manufacturers know this. We know this - so why do we need a chip that does the same? We all know why, because it will let you get it past the chrono judges undetected.

Where do we draw the line? Who draws the line? Mods - what do you think? Do you care about gun cheats or not? Let's have an answer yes or no. You have the ability to influence the thoughts and opinions of players world wide. Not just here but in the magazine too. That is a lot of power, use it responsibly. You do have an obligation as a human being. If the genral tone you put out is one of indifference rather than outrage you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be a lot more of these heading for tournaments. All this liberal sitting on the fence **** is for fairies - what's your stance? Are you happy about these cheat chips or not? What you say DOES matter - stop shirking your moral responsibility.

Merry Christmas :)
 
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duffistuta

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I think the problem is in p8nt taking some revenue for the ad. This is a great resource and it's your call on how you generate revenue. However sometimes the moral ambiguity displayed by some of the mods (Stongle/TJ in this instance) reeks of piss.

There is not a party line here - PGI staff, writers and mods have a plurality of opinions, as Baca wrote earlier


Whether you like it or not, despite the words of 'fairness' and 'discussion' the actions here say 'sellout'. Articles in PGI speak of 'gun cheats' - not 'gun enhancers' - be man enough to swallow the whole pill. If you have no problem with gun cheats, and want the revenue from their promotion here then endorse them. But you can't blur the lines when it suits you and expect no one to be a little shocked.

I find your lame attempts to bypass the issue with posts like ...

"Is tha product illegal at all Paintball fields?

No.

End of story."

patronising.

Really? I think he's right. That chip can be set to legal and illegal modes, like all guns. Where is the end user's responsibility in all this?

This is a purpose built 'cheat' chip, regardless of it's possible use for legitimate reasons. It is being advertised on a tournament paintball site, the majority of the active posters here play in tournaments. The majority of tournaments around the globe are semi-auto affairs. Draw your own conclusions as to just how valid an argument that is.

Active users is measured in the hundreds, unique viewers is in excess of 47k in a good month...most of whom do not play the NPPL

I also think the seperation of PGI from p8ntballer, whilst valid to a degree (from your point of view) is not seen by your customers. I consider these forums the 'live' discussion area of the publication and the areas it reports upon. It even says PGI online at the top - what are we supposed to think?

Again, that's Baca's view - I made the call on the advert, and I view this as a part of PGI

Furthermore, every top end electro out there can ramp like a mofo straight out of the tin (no add on chips/software required). Timmy's DM4's Angels etc etc. They can and do all do it. The manufacturers know this. We know this - so why do we need a chip that does the same? We all know why, because it will let you get it past the chrono judges undetected.

[Again, the end user is responsible for how he or she uses the chip.

Where do we draw the line? Who draws the line? Mods - what do you think? Do you care about gun cheats or not? Let's have an answer yes or no. You have the ability to influence the thoughts and opinions of players world wide. Not just here but in the magazine too. That is a lot of power, use it responsibly. You do have an obligation as a human being. If the genral tone you put out is one of indifference rather than outrage you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be a lot more of these heading for tournaments. All this liberal sitting on the fence **** is for fairies - what's your stance? Are you happy about these cheat chips or not? What you say DOES matter - stop shirking your moral responsibility.

Well, since you ask, my personal opinion of these chips is that they should only be used at fields where they are acceptable - same way I feel about all Paintball guns. I wasn't aware I was shirking anything...

Merry Christmas[And a Happy New Year.
 

Ben Frain

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Originally posted by duffistuta Well, since you ask, my personal opinion of these chips is that they should only be used at fields where they are acceptable - same way I feel about all Paintball guns. I wasn't aware I was shirking anything...
But isn't that almost like arguing that machine guns are fine for everyday consumers? After all, what's the problem, they should just be used responsibly. It's the users call what they do with them - right? Bottom line is people aren't responsible. If they were we wouldn't need a police force, or an army or laws or...
 
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duffistuta

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Originally posted by Ben Frain
But isn't that almost like arguing that machine guns are fine for everyday consumers? After all, what's the problem, they should just be used responsibly. It's the users call what they do with them - right? Bottom line is people aren't responsible. If they were we wouldn't need a police force, or an army or laws or...
So you're in favour of paternalism, and also of us not carrying an advert for a product which is legal for use in many places, simply because some tournament players with dubious morals may abuse it?

How is their lack of ethics our fault? I mean, if you want to wander down that route then forget Paintball guns, let's talk kitchen knives, or baseball bats, or practically anything...