so are you trying to get this place shut, or just so they put netting up to stop any accidents that may effect your site, and other PB sites?
-james
How far will your gun fire ?
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-james
I want the council to make it safe. Personally the site is **** and I am not worried about it in the slightest. What I want is the council to pull it's finger out and make it safe. If they have an accident it will effect my site and effect all paintball.
Maybe you should delete stupid questions too.
Sorry, I know you are trying to be helpful but there are way too many variables and they need a better answer than the ramblings of a bunch of ballers (see above). Have them contact Steve Bull at the UKPSF. He can tell them all the industry safety standards.
Not worked mate council made their mind up on the matter with out contacting him. The locals were up in arms about it and asked me what to do, so I said use Bully as reference and not me. Council did not bother, so they have emailed me today saying site has been passed. That is fine butat least make the place safe for the public !!
I was under the impression that a field had to be a certain distance away from a public right of way, be that a road or a footpath or what ever, 50 something (not sure if it was metres or feet) springs to mind. Now I would have considered it common sense that the field was netted at its outer boundaries if it were anywhere near the edge of a site.
A Tippmann Flatline barrel is supposed to have an effective range of 250ft, i.e. 72.6 metres, and a Millennium field is 55 metres long, It is possible to shoot the opposition off the break at this distance with a slight upward trajectory. The theoretical distance a paintball will travel depends on too many variables, wind speed and direction, elevation etc.
However, how effective is netting, it will stop the majority of balls, but most of us will attest to having had a hit through the netting at some time or another!
Surely, if your local council has expressly allowed this site to construct fields close to a public right of way, with out any netting and without recourse to UKPSF guidelines, then should there be an accident the council will be liable along with the site. If they are then at fault and you are already following UKPSF guidelines then how can they make life difficult for you????
To be totally honest, if I lived next door to a paintball site, the noise aside, if my lawn was being filled up with gelatin capsules or my car was being splattered with orange/blue/green/yellow/pink paint on a weekly, let alone daily, basis then I would be pretty pished off!
A Tippmann Flatline barrel is supposed to have an effective range of 250ft, i.e. 72.6 metres, and a Millennium field is 55 metres long, It is possible to shoot the opposition off the break at this distance with a slight upward trajectory. The theoretical distance a paintball will travel depends on too many variables, wind speed and direction, elevation etc.
However, how effective is netting, it will stop the majority of balls, but most of us will attest to having had a hit through the netting at some time or another!
Surely, if your local council has expressly allowed this site to construct fields close to a public right of way, with out any netting and without recourse to UKPSF guidelines, then should there be an accident the council will be liable along with the site. If they are then at fault and you are already following UKPSF guidelines then how can they make life difficult for you????
To be totally honest, if I lived next door to a paintball site, the noise aside, if my lawn was being filled up with gelatin capsules or my car was being splattered with orange/blue/green/yellow/pink paint on a weekly, let alone daily, basis then I would be pretty pished off!
It won't effect my business at all, the point is the council does not know the ins and outs of paintball and has siad it can open. There is no safety netting along the edge of the site as the council does not think it is needed !!!!!
How it will effect me and all paintball sites in my area is when some poor sod takes a paintball in the eye while walking by the site. Then the press will slag of all paintball sites in general and the old guns should be banned etc will come out !
How it will effect me and all paintball sites in my area is when some poor sod takes a paintball in the eye while walking by the site. Then the press will slag of all paintball sites in general and the old guns should be banned etc will come out !
Go to the local press now with your concerns over both the site and the council with a press release of your own. Even if nothing gets published now, if anything does happen, you will have a record of this when they try to scaremonger. You may find that with the support of the residents, right of way users, etc. you could have quite an effective voice though.
'Local Site Owner Objects To New Paintball Field on Safety Grounds'
How about that for a start, if an incident occured:
Shadlad Told 'Em So!
'Local Site Owner Objects To New Paintball Field on Safety Grounds'
How about that for a start, if an incident occured:
Shadlad Told 'Em So!
Yeah but I have tried to stay out of it for a long time due to thinking no way on earth will it pass any the UKPSF guide lines. But seeing the council has not consulted them and made it's own mind up on something it does not know about. Don't want people thinking I am wanting it closed. Personally I don't care if it is made safe ! His whole site is about the size of my main arena so not exactly going to be anything special or a threat!
If a paintball is fired over 3m netting, then by the time it's coming down it's lost a lot of it's forward motion, if it was travelling fast, it would still be on it's way up
Without netting, a slight upward angle will add a huge amount of range. Not worth the risk really. Remember, a paintball fired from a horizontal barrel at 200 fps will only achieve 100ft or so before it hits the ground (rate of fall being independant of velocity, try it, a paintball dropped from shoulder height takes about half a second to hit the ground) But as soon as you alter the trajectory, that's all irrelevant. A paintball fired at only 10 degrees inclination will still being gaining height for a fair distance, then it's got that extra height to lose before the normal drop even starts. Shots close to the vertical are of little risk, their speed is purely from being dropped as they've lost all of their firing energy before they start to fall. As you approach the horizontal they retain more of their forward velocity and are more of a danger. (around 45 degrees will get you furthest, but won't be travelling as fast as a shallower shot at long range).
I suggest that you test this yourself and get someone who can do the maths and the risk assessment for you. Taking some printouts from a forum to the council won't impress them at all.
The other problem is the rules and regulations on distance from roads etc.. apply to airguns. And whether that even applies to us is still debated, so I won't bother as I know what I know
The other side of the coin is that a complaint from you about them may get things sorted, it may also draw attention to you. How's the age of your marshalls? your compressed gas safety etc... etc... etc... Make sure you've got your helmet on before you stick your head out of the trench
Without netting, a slight upward angle will add a huge amount of range. Not worth the risk really. Remember, a paintball fired from a horizontal barrel at 200 fps will only achieve 100ft or so before it hits the ground (rate of fall being independant of velocity, try it, a paintball dropped from shoulder height takes about half a second to hit the ground) But as soon as you alter the trajectory, that's all irrelevant. A paintball fired at only 10 degrees inclination will still being gaining height for a fair distance, then it's got that extra height to lose before the normal drop even starts. Shots close to the vertical are of little risk, their speed is purely from being dropped as they've lost all of their firing energy before they start to fall. As you approach the horizontal they retain more of their forward velocity and are more of a danger. (around 45 degrees will get you furthest, but won't be travelling as fast as a shallower shot at long range).
I suggest that you test this yourself and get someone who can do the maths and the risk assessment for you. Taking some printouts from a forum to the council won't impress them at all.
The other problem is the rules and regulations on distance from roads etc.. apply to airguns. And whether that even applies to us is still debated, so I won't bother as I know what I know
The other side of the coin is that a complaint from you about them may get things sorted, it may also draw attention to you. How's the age of your marshalls? your compressed gas safety etc... etc... etc... Make sure you've got your helmet on before you stick your head out of the trench