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manike

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Originally posted by duffistuta
The military personnel do, I think - it's the politicians who are lying cocksuckers.

Much as I disagree with Blair at the moment, I do believe he's doing what he's doing for moral reasons, whilst Bush and Chirac have both taken up their respective positions for reasons of political and economic self-interest.
Couldn't agree more! My thoughts exactly.

Chirac is one of the worst politicians ever. You know his nickname means 'liar'... and they are just waiting for him to stop being president so that they can bring corruption charges? (apparently they can't while he is president).

Is now an ok time to use a new smiley face I found? I think Saddam is the


What a cool smiley huh?
 

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Did anyone watch newnight last night? (UK)

Very interested to see that US companies will soon be moving into the main docks in Iraq, and that a 'company' has moved into administer the country (made up from X-US Generals and X-CIA). Quite a good interview with a guy who looked remarkably like a Military man, but in civvies (except for the 9mm on his belt) who was talking about how they are going to help Iraq ;)

/insert sarcasm anywhere

Everyone that is moving in to "help Iraq on the road to economic recovery" up to now has been American.

/insert whatever wherever

Sorry, but this still looks and smells like a US hostile takeover, with Blair riding shotgun to make it look legit.

/me awaits the flames
 

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Originally posted by sjt19
It will be interesting to see what happens to Iraq following the conclusion of this conflict.

At a press conference yesterday, Blair and Bush had different answers to who would control the country after the war. Blair stated that the pressing issue was that the Iraqis governed themselves through elections and governmental procedure, (which he would help them in setting up), while Bush merely stated vaguely that the UN 'may' have a role in post war Iraq. I think that the reporter said there was widespread disagreement in the US over who would control Iraq after the war. With the oil that they have there who knows what will happen........:(

sam

Oh the UN will definately have a role in post war Iraq..Thier good at passing food out and not much else so lets stick with thier strong points at the moment..Maybe we can teach em a few things along the way...
 
Journalists being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Bollox! The Pentagon, whenever there is a conflict or military intervention issues a do not shoot or bomb list (think it may be called something a little more official!!). There are buildings and places that may, under no circumstances be shot at or bombed. These include embassies, hospitals and certain other sensitive areas. The Palestine hote; was pretty much the top of the list of places not to it because it was the place where 90% of all the foreign media was staying. Funnily enough, the US government didnt want to upset these guys since they were showing te war in a very ro american way! Then they shoot at it with a HE tank shell.

The excuse was that a rocket propelled grenade round was fired from the lobby. Why then did the crew, who can hit an enemy tank from over five miles away in any weather, decide to shoot at the 15th floor? Also american, spanish and Uk journalists have all testified no arms fire of ank kind was witnessed to have come from the hotel. This was cofirmed by anybody who saw the live piece to camera from the sky correspondent with the tank in the background.

What about te Al Jazeera and Abu Dhabi television building that was targeted? Funny that a television channel that has been anti american and has focussed on the plight of the Iraqi civillians was hit! Again no fire was seen or heard to be coming from the building. Well, who said democracy was dead.

Oh, and while i remember. Who saw the BBC (a pro war news broadcaster) when their leading news correspondent was bombed by an F14 from 500ft. The footage of the attack clearly shws the bright orange patch and US flag hanging from the back of the american HUMVEE's. Yet another example of American pilot's inability to engage brain before firing. The tank tey should have hit was over a mile away.

There have been more casualties from american friendly fire than there have been from enemy action. Almost 3 to 1 ratio.

When questioned on why the americans hit the journalists the pentagon merely stated that war is a dangerous environment, how dare they patronise the colleagues and the families of those brave journalists who put their life on the line to help expose the truth behind this conflict. They knew that these buildings should not be hit, and they now fail to provide a clear reason for their actions, as illustrated by the american military spokesman who failed to account to why a tank would engage a hotels 15th floor when the fire apparently came from the loby. Then backtracked on his answers when questioned further by an american journalist.

The americans have to win over the hearts and minds of the Iraqi's first and foremost. Somethink they have concistently failed to do (Vietnam and Somalia for example). The press is key to this so treat them with the respect they deserve and think before they pull the trigger.
 
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The International Federation of Journalists on Tuesday accused U.S. and Iraqi forces of committing war crimes against reporters after five correspondents were killed around Baghdad in less than 24 hours.

The IFJ, which represents 500,000 journalists worldwide in more than 100 countries, called for an independent inquiry into the deaths.

"There is no doubt at all that these attacks could be targeting journalists," said Aidan White, General Secretary of the IFJ. "If so, they are grave and serious violations of international law."

"The bombing of hotels where journalists are staying and the targeting of Arab media are particularly shocking events in a war which is being fought in the name of democracy. Those who are responsible must be brought to justice."

Two cameramen working for Spain's Telecinco TV station and the Reuters news agency died Tuesday and four other journalists were wounded when an American tank blasted Baghdad's Palestine Hotel. U.S. army officials said troops were responding to sniper fire from the high-rise hotel, where much of the international media is based.

"Journalists are never targeted, but war is a dangerous event. These people are in a combat zone," said Rumi Nielson Green, a spokesman for the U.S. command in Doha, Qatar.

In a separate incident, a correspondent from the al-Jazeera network was killed and a colleague injured when U.S. missiles landed on the station's Baghdad office.

A U.S. State Department Spokesman said the building was hit by mistake. "It is something we all regret. But I don't believe that it is possible that it was deliberate," Nabil Khoury told the Qatar-based broadcasting company.

On Monday, two Spanish and German reporters were killed when an Iraqi missile struck a U.S. army camp south of Baghdad. The IFJ says 12 journalists have been killed in the two-week-long campaign to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

While accusing U.S. forces of deliberately targeting al-Jazeera, White accused the Iraqi regime of using journalists as human shields.

"The Baghdad authorities are just as culpable with their reckless disregard for civilian lives," he said.

The Brussels-based IFJ called for a review of international rules to improve journalists' protection during conflicts.

"This war has been the most televised conflict in history," said White, "but the protection afforded to journalists and media staff is prehistoric by comparison."
 

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I marshal rallies on the Isle of Man, and I get so damn angry when they wave their press pass saying "immunity" and then proceeding to stand the THE most dangerous part of the stage. I believe that they WERE warned to get out before the armies took the city, but knowing them, they just decided to stay put for the best shots.

At the end of the day, would anyone on this forum place themselves in a hostile urban environment IN FRONT OF THE US/UK???

No, didnt think so, these guys know the dangers. They are just jumping on the "couldnt hit a barn door from 5 feet, unless it is a friendly" bandwagon IMHO of course.

"This war has been the most televised conflict in history," said White, "but the protection afforded to journalists and media staff is prehistoric by comparison." (Duffastuta)

How can you protect people who ignore you???
 

Walker (Nitro)

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headrock.....

I still stand by my original post, ok i should have omited the GW bit but you cant deny that the U.S military is renowned for this shoot first attitude, and no matter how much jargon you throw back at me i.e:


Why didnt you start a thread about Saddam using human shields and executing families who wont fight??Or 16 year old children locked away in jail because they refused to join Saddams Fedayeen??And two journalists mistakenly killed by Americans pisses you off enough to start a thread about it??..Unbelievable!!

The world media has already covered these atrocities, I dont need to, im sure you are open minded enough to not patronise my knowledge of world affairs by writing that sentence......

And cmon..Shoot first and ask questions later??Im sure the family of the service men who were killed by a suicide bomber while asking questions would have loved if they shot first..

Tell that to all of the families of all the servicemen killed by freindly fire during the first gulf war, both U.S and British, and a DAM sight more military personnel have been killed by freindly fire in the gulf than suicide bombers...

Thanks Hermitt and Flash...
 

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Originally posted by Walker (Nitro)
headrock.....

I still stand by my original post, ok i should have omited the GW bit but you cant deny that the U.S military is renowned for this shoot first attitude, and no matter how much jargon you throw back at me i.e:
Your missing the point...The Palestine Hotel is in the middle of a war zone..The tanks on the bridge come under mortar fire and RPG's and sniper fire..Then you have a moron reporter standing at the top of the hotel roof with binoculars looking straight at the tank...They assessed that it was being coordinated by that person and shelled it..Now while it was a grave mistake,the reporters understood the situation they were in and took a chance by staying when they were told it wasnt safe to be there anymore...And theres nothing I can do to change your shoot first attitude beliefs..But if you paid any attention to this war in particular,I shoudnt have to do that anyway..


Originally posted by Walker (Nitro)
The world media has already covered these atrocities, I dont need to, im sure you are open minded enough to not patronise my knowledge of world affairs by writing that sentence......
Nope..I wouldnt have responded to you if I didnt think you had some sort of sensability..My problem is that the world is also covering this sad situation so I wonder why you start a thread on this and not the others..Attacking one situation while omiting others just makes it look like you have an agenda...



Originally posted by Walker (Nitro)
Tell that to all of the families of all the servicemen killed by freindly fire during the first gulf war, both U.S and British, and a DAM sight more military personnel have been killed by freindly fire in the gulf than suicide bombers...


What does shooting first and friendly fire have to do with one another??We've taken painful steps to ensure that civilians are safe at our own risk and to deny that would be ridiculous...Your trying to spin a bunch of different things and not really getting down to what the thread is about..We're talking about civilians and reporters,not really friendly fire...The friendly fire thread is here somewhere though;)
 

Walker (Nitro)

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Originally posted by headrock6
What does shooting first and friendly fire have to do with one another??
EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!

IF you see a tank that "happens" to be freindly, blow seven shades of ****e out of it, then find out who's it was, find out its freindly, you got a problem......

p.s i aint got no agenda....

anyone got any rohypnol, i gotta dope a big white horse.....
 

headrock6

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Originally posted by Walker (Nitro)
EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!

IF you see a tank that "happens" to be freindly, blow seven shades of ****e out of it, then find out who's it was, find out its freindly, you got a problem......

p.s i aint got no agenda....

anyone got any rohypnol, i gotta dope a big white horse.....
Ok..That example was quite realistic I must say:rolleyes:


Lets try this again...If a coalition planes indentifying beacon malfunctions and its heading straight towards Kuwait and a Patriot fires and shoots it down thats a terrible tragedy..Or if two helicopters crash and everyone dies..Or reporters get shelled at a hotel..Whats the difference between any of them??They are all terrible ACCIDENTS..Nothing more,nothing less..The Brits have been responsible for friendly fire accidents as well..Whats the reason theres no thread on them..Because they dont have the gung ho mentality??That they do everything possible to avoid friendly fire and we dont??

Your all in a uproar because of unfortunate accidents and then go on about shooting first...Its a war..These things are expected..Do we wish they could have been avoided..Yep..But I see no reason to start a thread because you think all we do is shoot first,ask questions later when thats the furthest thing from the truth..Dont use the reporters as an excuse to rant about the US military..You should have just named it "American soldiers are Gung Ho Maniacs"It would have been a slight bit more realistic of what you wanted to state and would have saved me the trouble of writing about the Palestine Hotel incident....But I can tell you've been watching too many American war movies...

Thanks JTHM,Knobbs,Manike:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: