Has the Cocker now been eclipsed..?

[fordanaldino]

cheat boards in them. but were not allowed that.

i think cockers have reached their maximum potential. there really good at what they do, but i dont think you will see many at the top end of tournys this coming season.

sam

 

[Silky]

the reason nexus are moving onto egos tho is surely sponsorship reasons?

is the ego really superior to a nexus cocker? hmm i dunno, a mate has shot both and didnt think the ego was as quick as his cocker, liked the gun tho

 

[Skeet]

I think the way foreward with cockers, is the Turtle, and Halfblock/Fastback style....they must have a moving mass, thats similar to other markers, and pf course gets rid of teh backblock, which although, part of the distinctive look of a cocker, is one of the things that non users, dont like.
Truth of the matter is. no body can outshoot an electro cocker, just the same as they cant outshoot a modern Timmy, Ego, or other electropneumatic, its just a matter of personal preference, whcih goes for any marker. Cockers are fast, accurate, and reliable, no timing worries anymore with electro frames, so...I think they will be around for a while yet...they just need to make them lighter!

 

[Flash-Bugout]

I think a lot of the image problems cockers have come from the fact that they have all these scary looking bits hanging off it all over the place, and ther back block rattling away in your face. Add to that the reputation it gaind in the mech days when people who didnt know what they were doing tinkered and broke them, and the two-stage trigger that you had to get used to, and you can understand why people don't like them.

Personally, in the 4 and a half years of owning my Evo, the only time I did any adjustments to the timing was when I put my race frame on, in the 2 and a half years it was a mech it wasn't re-timed once, because it wasn't fiddled with.
If I were to open up a matrix, or an angel, or whatever, and fiddle with the buttons and switches, and mess around with the LPRs and whatnot, would you expect it to work straight from your bag? Me neither.

Personally, I think that with the mid-block mini-revolution that is going on right now, with Raceguns Halfblock, Docs Fastback, the Turtle, the Catapult et al, and new developments such as the mQ-valve, there is at least another 4 or 5 years left in the life of the autococker as a top level marker.

As for Nexus moving away from their cockers, unfortunately most of us can only ever speculate on the sponsorship deals that top teams have, and how much of that is free choice, and how much is Planet wanting to promote thier new baby.

[edit - need to type quicker, Silky and Skeet posted while I was typing this]

 

[Skeet]

Catapult? Mq-Valve? Where can one see such mysterious items?

Spend a few weeks on MSN mate...you will be typing fast before you know it...only problem is you will type "teh" instead of "the", everytime you type it!

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Catapult = custom mid-block type cocker, by a dude called Ken C, I think he only made 10 of them.

mQ-valve - electronic replacement for the bottom tube components, so no more hammer and springs to worry about - long old thread about it here on pbn. There is a pic on about page 47.

And teh main reason I took too long to type out my reply was probably the spelling checking, as well as posting in two other forums and my blog at teh same time as makgin this post.

 

[Chuck]

Bollox!

The Cocker is far from at its "peak". It may appear strange and over complicated to some. But the thing works, and it works well time after time.

Do not Judge the new breed of Cockers fitted with E2's the same as when you tried a Mates 10 year old mech Cocker.

Nothing shoots fragile paint like a good Cocker, this is something that a lot of people over look. If you need to shoot bullets through your gat to get it to run you are just wasting your time.

The newer E2 Cockers will cycle 40 times per second, that is as fast as anything else that I know about.

The reason that some teams seem to be able to shoot faster with other makes of gat is because they have software that adds shots, stores them or enables the de bounce to be overidden. Thats not the ability of the gat its just the software. Planet could do this, but they choose not to.

I know some will look at this post and say "He would say that he is sponsored by Planet" but I have been shooting Cockers now for 13 years and only been sponsored by Planet for 1 of those.

I'm not stuck in my ways either I have tried many different guns this year and
would not change mine for anything that I have been sent so far!


If you doubt how good they are just ask for a go of one of ours next time you see us.


Defensive rant over.

Chuck

 

[Lucky]

I think the question is actually wrong here.......it should have read "are cockers fashionable anymore"?
I don't believe anyone can justify a statement that a cocker is not competitive nor can it keep up, maybe the only critisism can be the weight and on the initial look they appear to be complicated to the untrained player, but there are a thousand of websites with a detailed breakdown on every aspect of the cocker and i don't believe there's another gun out there that carries the information resources or spare parts availability of the cocker.
If you get a numbie like oddjob who fiddles with the timing when he doesn't understand it, then of course he's gonna slate the gun when in fact the gun was fine it was owner error, "you wouldn't just go and re-time your car engine to see if it would run any better, would you oddjob"? (well maybe you would)??????
As i stated, there is a whole industry out there producing custom parts in every shape and form and if like me you like to learn about a gun and tune it to your personal choice, then the cocker is the way to go, if your a simpleton or you just like to shoot straight out of the box then buy something else.

Basically i don't think a cocker is "trendy" anymore and i agree there are easier guns to use out there, but the cocker cannot be archived in the history hall of fame quite yet, if your buying a gun, you have to ask yourself what you actually want from it, as it's so easy to be caught up in the "advertising bull****" that manufactures use to make their inferior markers appealing !
""JUST DON'T DISCOUNT THE COCKER YET UNTIL YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND ALSO TRIED ONE""

 

[Dr_Chris]

Well, I will soon find out. I've just ordered my Eclipse Factory Cocker today, along with a nice 3000psi 70cl or whatever air system (along with numerous other things).

*dances like a madman*

 

[Leigh - Nexus]

Bollox!

Everything Chuck says, totally agree with him.

Originally posted by Chuck
The Cocker is far from at its "peak". It may appear strange and over complicated to some. But the thing works, and it works well time after time.

Do not Judge the new breed of Cockers fitted with E2's the same as when you tried a Mates 10 year old mech Cocker.

Nothing shoots fragile paint like a good Cocker, this is something that a lot of people over look. If you need to shoot bullets through your gat to get it to run you are just wasting your time.

The newer E2 Cockers will cycle 40 times per second, that is as fast as anything else that I know about.

The reason that some teams seem to be able to shoot faster with other makes of gat is because they have software that adds shots, stores them or enables the de bounce to be overidden. Thats not the ability of the gat its just the software. Planet could do this, but they choose not to.

I know some will look at this post and say "He would say that he is sponsored by Planet" but I have been shooting Cockers now for 13 years and only been sponsored by Planet for 1 of those.

I'm not stuck in my ways either I have tried many different guns this year and
would not change mine for anything that I have been sent so far!


If you doubt how good they are just ask for a go of one of ours next time you see us.


Defensive rant over.

Chuck