Hand chronos ! Announcement!

[Joern Windler]

In Toulouse we had as usual some problems with the hand chronos, well not exactly with the handy ones, but with the players, who dont realise that they might differ from the red ones.
This problem is well known, but there seems to be no way how we can handle that in a better way.
Because there was and is so much cheating going on and velocity is a safety conzern, we have to stick with the hand held ones.

So make sure that your marker is not on the limit of the red ones if you want to pass the test on the hand held. Also checking the speed on hand held doesnt help that much, cause the hand held ones also might differ from each other, so that this is no real solution for the players which like to shoot constantly at 299fps.

If you want to be on the safe side of play -> dont go to the limits.


Joern.

 

[acsik]

Hmmm


Dont want to be a prick but that would mean that "Set your markers to 280 or you will be bollocked by our ****ty chrono's"? (Excuse me French)

If yes then resize the fields!

Cya

 

[BaddahBoom]

>>"Set your markers to 280 or you will be bollocked by our ****ty chrono's"?<<

Hmm i read it as
Set your makers at 280 to be Safe !!!
(Safe in each way possible)

 

[acsik]

No mate the "Be Safe" is the 300 fps limit!




Peace

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

Joern

It has always been maintained that the hand held chronos are checked and calibrated against the red feild chronos.

I would say to you - and all tourney organisers - get your field kit right because hundreds of players spend many thousands of pounds to you guys (on top of the money they spend on trying to get their own kit right) and should be able to expect that random faults with chronos won't ruin their tournament.

In the mean time do we what always do - demand to check guns over the handheld chronos.

Also one handheld for each end would help - that way a sub 300fps reading on one doesnt turn into a 141 on another.

Safety first - yes.

But customer care also!!

Mark

PS - 300fps?? I shoot 290fps on the JT field. Next game, no changes to gun, paint etc I shoot 270fps on the Draxxus field. Guess what - I turn the gun up. Whats 'legal' on one field would be illegal on another.

GET THE KIT RIGHT!!!!!!

 

[Red_Merkin]

mark,
(and all tourney promoters)
there is no practical way to calibrate a hand held chronograph.
A player shooting over 300 on a hand held chronograph, may not in fact be shooting over 300 fps in reality.
There should be one chronograph for each field, and that is the standard for that field. Hand held chronographs can be used to spot players on the field who are cheating the speed limit, however i feel that before a player is penalised the gun should be checked against the field chrono.


Incidentally i run my gun under 290, so i never get pulled, but in higher stake games i'm sure my gun will get checked more frequently. if you push the limits, sometimes you're going to slip up, and get caught.

 

[twinkle toes]

Just a thought...

..but does anyone ACTUALLY have thier chronos properly calibrated??? I dont mean against each other , I mean , so they are reading the CORRECT measurement. I have not got a radar chrono to hand , so I cant say when they are meant to be calibrated , but any device that is meant to be for accurately measuring something should be periodically checked to make sure it gives the correct reading. And it should also be treated with a lot more care than the chronos I've seen get.

Its not much point all the chronos in a tourny all reading 280 ( when compared to each other ) if the Correct reading should say 300 , or 305 , or 310.

Everyone assumes they are at a safe velocity just because the little red box infront of them says so.

Does safe mean :

"are not running hot and wont get penalties" ,

or does it mean

"wont bust someones goggles , or knock someone out" ??

Just a though , and my opinion.

 

[Joern Windler]

A way out of the main trouble with "guns down" would be to use the field chrono then.
During the game we still use the hand held ones. And then thats your choice if you you push the limits. No one ever said that you can play paintball only at 299fps...

Safety first.

 

[Collier]

The hand held chronos are only accurate when using the strap so that the chrono hangs of the end of the barrel, any other method does not give a correct reading.
These are the manufactuers requirements which are seldom adhered to.
Chrono's should read the same and be calibrated as such, I've seen results vary upwards of 30 fps, I don't want to have to chrono my consistant marker to under 270fps so I'm legal on all fields.
We as players spend £1000's on kit and strive for excellent consistancy so we can run close to the limit.
I know I can set my velocity at 290 and it won't jump at all.

Paul.

 

[Alan Smith]

I can't understand this.

In Amsterdam we calibrated the hand-held’s to each other and the Radar chroney. We only used those hand-held’s that are consistent. As refs we did this to ensure we wouldn't pull any players due to inaccurate readings as that would be both stupid and unfair. If refs on the millennium are not calibrating the hand-held’s they use to ensure they are only using the consistent and accurate ones, then they cannot pull players on field.

We had a player pulled in our last game for precisely this reason as we checked his marker on other hand-helds and the field Radar chroney and his marker was under the limit. Basically we lost a player because a judge was running around with an in accurate hand-held. This is a JOKE.....

In the Russian Legion Game I am amazed that Sergie let the marshals take those two markers. One he obviously hadn't seen the Dynasty player’s firing that extra shot before they put their markers down and two after he had the markers checked by another chroney they were below the limit. The judges and the Ultimates applied no common sense here. If your standing around before the start of a game in that heat it's not unexpected to get reg creep and it is wholey reasonable to get a clearing shot.

In the past when we chronographed off field you were allowed one clearing shot and an average of three shots below 300 to be legal. I suggest that if Marshalls pull teams just before the start of a game the players are allowed an average of three shots. However in-game with an accurately calibrated chroney being used one shot over is reasonable to make the pull.

We have to crack down on gun cheats but lets not cripple a team in the finals because we have no common sense...............