Haha! Check out the fisticuffs towards the end...

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Is Robbo on about the pic with tyger dressed up as a tiger?


If so...
"Pathetic"

Ps:is pgi out yet?
Aint got mine

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Mark
OK I will give you the pic of Tyger v The "average tourny player pic" As I do think Tyger takes it a step too far..but he seems happy doing it.
The rest of your post attacking the highlighting of a "one off", well the "one off" made the press as when the hockey stick slashing took place I was in Canada when the event happened and it filled the news networks for several weeks...same week as a guy took a puck to the throat and collapsed with a smashed trachea. This "fight" in the promo vid is by the definition of your post above a "one off"...it isn't common sure but it happens and to highlight it in a promo vid is not the correct thing to do to promote the sport...ok sure it has gotten people talking so that generates publicity but what about the HFB publicity was that positive? Not all publicity is good regardless of the "No such thing as bad publicity ..etc" often quoted statement. Fighting has no place in Paintball how often have you wanted to "lamp" someone for an infringement of what you percieved to be correct, once, twice, half a dozen times, never? Whatever the answer if it is done it isn't right and you can't defend those actions as it doesn't belong in Paintball. The violent side of paintball should remain under the surface not above as of course it is a outlet for anger amongst a whole bunch of other things but as mentioned in other replies violence appears on sports for which we don't associate them with, the anti's will always find something to use against paintball but to give them the ammunition isn't clever marketing. In hockey to use that parallel the refs stay out of it until one player is hurt or they fall to the ice...in Paintball the refs are told to stop it straight away...I have been between two of the largest players in the pro scene both here and in america and it didn't go any further and as you know I am far from large and threatening but nothing went any further so no pics can be produced of anyone hitting another...a sequence of pics was published by PGI last year cleverly omiting the ones where I was between the two players concerned as to have published the entire sequence would not have been good marketing even though the problem was stopped.

Oh My God Mark, I can't even be bothered to answer this as you like some others before you, either deliberately or thru not reading it properly, have misinterpreted or misunderstood what I wrote and I really can't be bothered with spoon feeding you thru it

 

[le-pig]

ye gods

Originally posted by Robbo
Sorry mate, but you know how it is....he (Tyger) just gives me soo much ammunition to shoot, I just can't resist

why dont you two just have it out 1 on1 and get it filmed

 

[Mark]

Pete, I read the thread close enough we just don't agree thats all.....we agree about Tyger looking silly, 1 out of 2 isn't that bad I didn't flame you I just set out the weakeness (IMHO) of your reply to Tyger...I can understand your frustration when the events Tyer has quoted seem to appear from nowhere and his justifications seem weakish but although appearing somewhat out of context in this thread the parallels do I feel have merit.

 

[Tyger]

Originally posted by Mark
Pete, I read the thread close enough we just don't agree thats all.....we agree about Tyger looking silly, 1 out of 2 isn't that bad I didn't flame you I just set out the weakeness (IMHO) of your reply to Tyger...I can understand your frustration when the events Tyer has quoted seem to appear from nowhere and his justifications seem weakish but although appearing somewhat out of context in this thread the parallels do I feel have merit.

Point was that hockey has a 'rep' for being violent. The events I quoted are not out of "nowhere", it's supporting that even in pro sports, players are held legally accountbale for thier actions twords another player. IE : If a guy comes at another guy in a paintball mach and smacks him in the head with his Nitrogen tank (which happened a while ago, if I recall...) that player CAN be hauled off to jail.

But more importantly, and this kinda ties into another thread from a while ago, if a news agency, or worse a sports highlight show gets this footage, paintball gets branded as that activity. If hte only thing sopmeone sees of paintball is a video snip of a player trying ot connect a haymaker to an opponent, it's only logical that they'll assume that we all play like that.

In the USA we have a show caleld "You Gotta See This", which highlights disaster reels in sports (dragsters exploding, racecars slamming into track railings, skateboarers doing "face plants" off of second-story railings and so on.) They highlighted that event in England where they fling a wheel of cheese down a hill and people chase it? And what do you think they showed more? The history of the event, or the bloodied, broken and bruised competitors being hauled into waiting ambulances for medical treatment? And what do you think the average American thinks of that event? It may be a bad example, but it's the one I'm using.

WE live in a world of soundbites and vid clips. And if you want to be sensational, you show somethign sensational. If I want to get ratings, I'll show the NASCAR drivers fighting in the pits. If I Want to run a story, I'll show the race highlights. And as a fledgling sport which is banking on the "Extreme sports market", it doesn't take a genius to see what will get more face-time. Sensationalisim or story.

-Tyger

(Edited by Tyger to remove small details of no importance)

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Mark
Pete, I read the thread close enough we just don't agree thats all.....we agree about Tyger looking silly, 1 out of 2 isn't that bad I didn't flame you I just set out the weakeness (IMHO) of your reply to Tyger...I can understand your frustration when the events Tyer has quoted seem to appear from nowhere and his justifications seem weakish but although appearing somewhat out of context in this thread the parallels do I feel have merit.

Mark, whether Tyger was happy doing it or not is not really the point, I mean, Stalin was 'happy' killing millions..get my drift

And so......firstly, you acknowledge these type incidents are extremely rare, that in itself is tantamount to agreement with the essence of my post as I was merely stating it is not representative of the sport and therefore should not be used as a yardstick condemnation.
After all, people die in cars every day, what would Tyger say, don’t go and drive anywhere ?
Of course cr@p happens but don't try and use an extremely rare even to condemn the whole sport.
And as I had already explained in a previous post (imho), the guy did not put this snippet in any gratuitous way, it was there to spice up proceedings not glorify it for god's sake.
If somebody was making a promo vid of NHL, NBA, NFL, whatever ya like, you can bet ya bottom dollar you are gonna get some real action shots and some confrontation thrown in to show the passion of the sport.
This point isn't even debatable because I have seen it many times in previews to particular sport shows they do over there.

I don't see any of NFL'S, NHL's etc sponsors running for the door !

You then go on to infer that I advocated its use, I somehow wallow in this side of the sport or merely just agree with it, I don't....I say 'I DON'T' again much like I say fouling should stop in soccer !!!!!!
I AM NOT DEFENDING VIOLENCE IN OUR SPORT !!!!!

I have never said this so please don't construct a post around that premise.

And if you think we at PGI left a few pictures of you in between two players out for the sake of 'not good marketing' my God, how conspiratorial is that,?
You gotta be kiddin me !
Get down from that grassy knoll Mark, it never happened !
More like the pics were just not good enough in terms of quality.
You are just pissed off u didn't get yer mug in the mag more like

Most of your post deals in idealism, of course bad behavior should remain beneath the surface, you don't need a degree in 'stating the bleedin obvious' to come up with that one but we do need to be able to cope with bad behavior when it happens.
Sticking our head in the sand declaring, 'This is how paintball should[/] be is not gonna get us newhere Mark, we need to get real and then deal with it and not go into any state of idealised denial.
Ideals are fine for idealists but we do not live in an ideal world, it's as simple as that !

 

[Robbo]

ye gods

Originally posted by le-pig
why dont you two just have it out 1 on1 and get it filmed

Because, I have absolutely nothing, and I mean notihng to gain...think about it

PS Le-Pig, how is my good friend Rich on the Isle ?
Tell him I still got that pic where he stuck me on me ass all those years back...ouch
Tell him it was a lucky punch

 

[Mark]

Pete I wasn't infering you advocated violence if it sounded that way I apologise. The way I read your post it sounded as if you were saying that although it happens, get over it, it doesn't happen every day..well in that you are correct as I said the same thing but to have included it in the promo video that this thread is discussing it don't fit it shouldn't have been included...you and I have both seen things happen on and off field but it is even rarer for it to be caught on film...I don't give a monkeys that my pic wasn't in that magazine issue I have been in it plenty of times before and since. the pics that I refer to showed the start and the finish of the "situation" so to have none of the ones inbetween is more than a little strange...the editorial mentioned it, when I read the article it made me smile that the pics weren't all there but I understood why..only two reasons 1 the photographer missed it, 2 it wasn't "correct" to publish the pics. You have said that perhaps the pics weren't of a good enough quality ok possible, regardless of editorial people will make their own minds up to something they think they can see...very good example is the close up pic of the Nexus v Ton Ton's game where the Ton Ton got lit up big style (included in the current issue of PGI) that pic flew around the paintball forums and all kinds of accusations flew as to the Nexus player was over doing it...when as it was said to happen most all the damage was done by at least one back player not the guy in the pic. people jumping to the wrong conclusions from just seeing a pic can create problems. The grassy knoll theory that is more for Hotpoint not me
BTW not really as a parting shot but more a case of I should have including it above. Sometimes stating the "bleeding obvious" is needed.