Exactimundo
Unless Red is one of the GZ players reputedly looking elsewhere, i which case it may be a parting shot...
Unless Red is one of the GZ players reputedly looking elsewhere, i which case it may be a parting shot...
GZ to (partially) split ???
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Exactimundo
In any case, like Mark said.... respect. He certainly has mine.
Or someone else who is just entirely fed up ( pretty common nowadays), and needed to vent it and let the chips fall where they may.
In any case, like Mark said.... respect. He certainly has mine.
Red has never had any problem saying what he felt to Jerry, or anybody else for that matter, it's one of his bad or good points depending on what he's going on about that day.
I really don't agree with what he's got to say, but it's his right to say it, so it's cool.
My question to Red or the rest of the class is; "What exactly has the NPPL or Chuck done for you as a player or a team in the past 7 years?"
Dave/ GZS/ Toxic
I really don't agree with what he's got to say, but it's his right to say it, so it's cool.
My question to Red or the rest of the class is; "What exactly has the NPPL or Chuck done for you as a player or a team in the past 7 years?"
Dave/ GZS/ Toxic
Perhaps a better question, Dave
On that basis alone Chuck at least deserves a fair hearing and an opportunity to do the job right.
Not a shot at you or GZ or any one person in particular. Just an observation.
Would be just what has the PSP done besides charge $2K a pop, or thereabouts, to play without effective reffing on either rocks or cow pies and only ever made modest improvements after a significant part of the 'balling community raises holy hell.
On that basis alone Chuck at least deserves a fair hearing and an opportunity to do the job right.
Not a shot at you or GZ or any one person in particular. Just an observation.
I'm not claiming Chuck and the NPPL will make good, anymore than the PSP will. I just thought it was a pretty heavy statement by Red, that's all. I'm just a player with a few paper-dollars to blow (very few in fact), whoever has the better product, has my paper-dollars.
Umm the reffing is handled by the NPPL and PRO headed by Bill Cookston who is salaried by WDP.
The 180,000 dollar air system bought last year, miles and miles and miles of netting bought and set up every year, setting up of 10 fields an event, water trucks, garbage cans etc. That's what the PSP has done the 2 weeks prior to the NPPL(Chuck) even showing up at an event to collect their money for doing NOTHING.
Oh the prizes? yeah that's the NPPL's department too.
dave
The 180,000 dollar air system bought last year, miles and miles and miles of netting bought and set up every year, setting up of 10 fields an event, water trucks, garbage cans etc. That's what the PSP has done the 2 weeks prior to the NPPL(Chuck) even showing up at an event to collect their money for doing NOTHING.
Oh the prizes? yeah that's the NPPL's department too.
dave
Dave, i dont think anyones saying the PSP hasn't done anything for the players but theres still some good arguments that for the amount of dollars teams are spending that alot more could be done for the them...
Whats the excuse for not having a proper amount of toilets and no grandstands for viewing games(and yes ive heard PSP wasn't responsible for them but if those who were, decided not to put em up,you would think that PSP could have stepped up to the plate and done it themselves for the better of the league..
And obviously the miles and miles of netting still wasn"t good enough as one of your teams could have got really screwed simply beacuse there wasnt a few miles more.And while the Salm incident shouldn't have happened regardless if the netting was thier or not it could have easily been stopped had PSP decided to net all the fields completely...
And now with NPPL out of the picture with the PSP are you telling me that the reffing next year is gonna be outstanding??Reffing was pretty abysmal all year and if thats the case why didnt PSP do anything to correct the situation..You cant tell me thats outta their hands as well..
And as for Chuck,we'll see if he's gonna step up and do something this coming season..At least lets give him a chance before a little bashing take place...
And please dont take this as bash..Ive spoken to you before on Smacktalk as Hempstead Turnpike and had a few good talks with you over in the Deer Park store..Hey we all have our gripes but it looks like this season is gonna make or break it for the leagues in general...Only time will tell
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Dave, Dave, Dave
1--did Jerry call Chuck and arrange for GZ to play World Cup this year instead of reffing? When teams either volunteer or are expected to ref an event who do they deal with? It ain't Chuck. And where was Cookston before WDP funded PRO? Oh, yeah, serving as ultimate for PSP/NPPL events.
2--and both of those steps were taken after players, teams, high profile pball personalities and magazine editorials made a huge stink. As to the rest of it--that's what they're supposed to do!
3--then why does Stein and the Hurricanes get free entry in exchange for his organizing disbursement of prizes and why do vendors have to both pay in cash and goods (for prizes) when acquiring vendor space from Emily?
Dave, I appreciate your loyalty but you're digging your pals a hole here.
1--did Jerry call Chuck and arrange for GZ to play World Cup this year instead of reffing? When teams either volunteer or are expected to ref an event who do they deal with? It ain't Chuck. And where was Cookston before WDP funded PRO? Oh, yeah, serving as ultimate for PSP/NPPL events.
2--and both of those steps were taken after players, teams, high profile pball personalities and magazine editorials made a huge stink. As to the rest of it--that's what they're supposed to do!
3--then why does Stein and the Hurricanes get free entry in exchange for his organizing disbursement of prizes and why do vendors have to both pay in cash and goods (for prizes) when acquiring vendor space from Emily?
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Originally posted by Toxic Dave
1--Umm the reffing is handled by the NPPL and PRO headed by Bill Cookston who is salaried by WDP.
2--The 180,000 dollar air system bought last year, miles and miles and miles of netting bought and set up every year, setting up of 10 fields an event, water trucks, garbage cans etc. That's what the PSP has done the 2 weeks prior to the NPPL(Chuck) even showing up at an event to collect their money for doing NOTHING.
3--Oh the prizes? yeah that's the NPPL's department too.
dave
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((Dave, I appreciate your loyalty but you're digging your pals a hole here.
1--did Jerry call Chuck and arrange for GZ to play World Cup this year instead of reffing? When teams either volunteer or are expected to ref an event who do they deal with? It ain't Chuck. ))
I honestly don't know what the deal with GZ not reffing the WC is, as far as I can tell the thinking was "It's the World Cup ALL the best teams in the world should be able to play, including GZ, lets figure out how to make it happen." The fact is, if Chuck et al were doing their jobs, the people to contact regarding reffing etc would be them. Instead they collect alot of money to do virtually nothing. Hey support them if you want.
((And where was Cookston before WDP funded PRO? Oh, yeah, serving as ultimate for PSP/NPPL events.))
The Point? He's the right guy for the job, as much as people like to bash him, he does the job better than just about anyone else could.
((2--and both of those steps were taken after players, teams, high profile pball personalities and magazine editorials made a huge stink. As to the rest of it--that's what they're supposed to do!))
((3--then why does Stein and the Hurricanes get free entry in exchange for his organizing disbursement of prizes and why do vendors have to both pay in cash and goods (for prizes) when acquiring vendor space from Emily?))
Once again because the "Prize Committe" was more or less dissolved when Chuck too over the NPPL, Someone has to do the Job, and it's a pain in the ass, thus Jeff is paid by the PSP to handle yet another job the NPPL used to handle.
Since Chuck took over the NPPL, he has done little or nothing for the players, especially for the amount of money he's been paid by them and the promoters. Let's see....ummm oh yeah the Baseball card idea, that no one even thought was a good idea for a second.
The NPPL used to handle all kinds of stuff, Rule, Prizes, etc. And there used to be alot of good people involved in it then, they even had elections now and again. Not anymore, Chuck and Scotty declered themselves god, Scotty was finally run off from the sport and now it's just Chuck making decisions for all of us. But then again he isn't, he's really just collecting money and telling people they need to give him more for ID's that are never checked anyway.
The concept of a Players Union of some sort is awesome, but only if they do something positive for all Players, not just themselves.
dave
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Originally posted by Toxic Dave
1--Umm the reffing is handled by the NPPL and PRO headed by Bill Cookston who is salaried by WDP.
2--The 180,000 dollar air system bought last year, miles and miles and miles of netting bought and set up every year, setting up of 10 fields an event, water trucks, garbage cans etc. That's what the PSP has done the 2 weeks prior to the NPPL(Chuck) even showing up at an event to collect their money for doing NOTHING.
3--Oh the prizes? yeah that's the NPPL's department too.
dave
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((Dave, I appreciate your loyalty but you're digging your pals a hole here.
1--did Jerry call Chuck and arrange for GZ to play World Cup this year instead of reffing? When teams either volunteer or are expected to ref an event who do they deal with? It ain't Chuck. ))
I honestly don't know what the deal with GZ not reffing the WC is, as far as I can tell the thinking was "It's the World Cup ALL the best teams in the world should be able to play, including GZ, lets figure out how to make it happen." The fact is, if Chuck et al were doing their jobs, the people to contact regarding reffing etc would be them. Instead they collect alot of money to do virtually nothing. Hey support them if you want.
((And where was Cookston before WDP funded PRO? Oh, yeah, serving as ultimate for PSP/NPPL events.))
The Point? He's the right guy for the job, as much as people like to bash him, he does the job better than just about anyone else could.
((2--and both of those steps were taken after players, teams, high profile pball personalities and magazine editorials made a huge stink. As to the rest of it--that's what they're supposed to do!))
((3--then why does Stein and the Hurricanes get free entry in exchange for his organizing disbursement of prizes and why do vendors have to both pay in cash and goods (for prizes) when acquiring vendor space from Emily?))
Once again because the "Prize Committe" was more or less dissolved when Chuck too over the NPPL, Someone has to do the Job, and it's a pain in the ass, thus Jeff is paid by the PSP to handle yet another job the NPPL used to handle.
Since Chuck took over the NPPL, he has done little or nothing for the players, especially for the amount of money he's been paid by them and the promoters. Let's see....ummm oh yeah the Baseball card idea, that no one even thought was a good idea for a second.
The NPPL used to handle all kinds of stuff, Rule, Prizes, etc. And there used to be alot of good people involved in it then, they even had elections now and again. Not anymore, Chuck and Scotty declered themselves god, Scotty was finally run off from the sport and now it's just Chuck making decisions for all of us. But then again he isn't, he's really just collecting money and telling people they need to give him more for ID's that are never checked anyway.
The concept of a Players Union of some sort is awesome, but only if they do something positive for all Players, not just themselves.
dave