Nations cup.
Originally posted by Magued
Well I think the PGI Nations cup is a very good indicator where the different nations are at the moment.
As England didnt have there best players availible is actuelly right, but it isnt a excuse is it?
The Swedish team had to play against France, Usa and Denmark to win. And we did beat the US team twice.
The Us team rooster was Matt Marshall, weasel, Lasoya, Rich Telford, Rab, Will Arroya and some Image players.
Have in mind that I used players from 3 different Swedish teams and 3 of them was playing amatuer.
I will agree that the top 5 Swedish and English teams would be a close affair, but the big differens between our nations is the standard of the amatuer teams. And that is really important beacuse its from there we gona get the star players of the future. Thats why i think that the challange to the Us teams will come from Scandinavia and not from England.
About the Sc Ironmen players in Joy Division. Do I think we would do so good last year without Micah and Matty and the other? Hell no, I have never ( and you know that ) said anything else.
But is it a indicator that the Scandinavians are getting better?. I think so. But you know that a couple of really good players dont make a team, ( magnificent seven was it right? )
On the other hand you wont give Sweden any credit when we had 2 Swedes playing for GZ last season. GZ had a fantastic year and no one would dream of taking it away from them and say it was beacuse they had some swedes. ( I hope you get my point here)
But lets go back to the issue, I think the best answer was Dave.H post. He have figured it out. Doesnt suprise me that it came from Rushers.
Magued
Mustapha Magued,
I was gonna leave this alone and not bother replying but I thought 'Nah, I ain't letting ya get away with that loada crap'
Here goes, you are right, the fact that the Brit team did not have any of the best players of the UK in it is not an excuse, IT IS A REASON for not being able to assess the relative merits !!!
Secondly, to mention the Magnificent 7 to back up your argument is laughable since I had not played for nearly 2 years, Phil hadn't played for 18 months as had my brother, Marcus had not played for 3 years and two of the other guys (of the seven man team) had never played a tournament.
But I do see the point you were trying to make with that.
Brahim was the only guy who had any contemporary credentials.
I also 100% acknowledge the achievements of Max and his brother, they are two truly great players in GZ but this does not constitute an argument that claims national supremacy.
Whilst Daveh from the Rushers makes some relevant points, points in fact, that I and others have already made on another thread, I am surprised that you think it somehow predictable (or rather expected) that his team should be more aware of the situation than say, myself, especially since they are a team who should have turned pro years ago but chose to wallow in the Am sections beating up on teams they have beaten up so many times before.
They need to turn pro and should have done three years ago, you know that we all know that so I hardly see Dave's viewpoint as a justifiable indictment of your position.
I am not patriotic to the point of ignorance Magued, I fully appreciate that we suck (relative to our previous standing in the world game).
It hurts me, but I ain't gonna go into denial about it or even start waving the flag.
When teams like Shockwave, pretty much refuse to train with other UK teams then it's hardly a harbinger of progressive paintball over here.
I know they have no responsibility other than to themselves but it does irk a little.
Anyway, that's another story, I think we both agree on the main points anyway and 'yes' I do concede that your AM teams are probably significantly better than ours but as I said before Mag, you and I are not really concerned with that are we mate?
Robbo
