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As I suspected all along, it's not a complex problem, it's dead simple...what was I thinking?Tommeh said:
And yes, it quite clearly has driven you mad.
European smugglers?
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And yes, it quite clearly has driven you mad.
Lol exactly, the general economic "problem" is more complex than that. If we see the problem as simply as you have put it, if house prices go down people will begin to spend less as they will feel less wealthy, then the economy will slow down, possibly bringing about a recession if nothing is done.duffistuta said:
Go look at an ecomics text book, all these things are relatively simple, but there are a fair amount of them which need to be balanced perfectly to make things any better, an thats ezer said than done.
I'm not familiar with the UK immigration situation, Duff, but as far as the US is concerned, we have a problem with ILLEGAL immigration (as in, against the law). That has nothing to do with racism ("seeing all those brown faces"), it's got to do with not wanting people you have no control of walking into your country at will to sponge off of social welfare programs and bankrupt hospitals and school systems. And by "no control", I mean these people are not screened, we don't know who they are, we don't know their background, we don't know their intentions, and because of the availability of false identification documents, we don't even know who or where they are. What we do know is that they broke the law entering the country without notice, they export 20 billion dollars a year back home to Mexico anually and have hospitals and schools on the border literally going broke, because the majority of them also don't pay taxes. And despite what our president might have you believe, not all of the people here illegally are here to do tough labor jobs and live new, happy lives. At least not juding by the fact that 26% of the folks in our tax payer sponsored prison system, are illegal aliens. That's not mentioning that, contrary to what you may hear on CNN, they are NOT helping the economy in any way shape or form. Unless you see any advantage to having undocumented illegal workers working for less than minimum wage, driving down the wages for workers in just about every labor industry (which ordinarily I would consider great, if the free market was dictating it, but not when it's due to labor being had for illegal prices), all while waving Mexican flags in the streets and demanding made-up "Constitutional rights" that they wouldn't be entitled to even if they were citizens, which they're not in the first place. Believe it or not, the US actually has an immigration program that allows a fair few people into this country. We just have this weird little hang up about having the people, you know, speak our language, know how our government works, and not have a history of criminal activity. Outrageous stuff like that. Like I said, I can't speak for the British situation, seeing as how I don't live there, and don't get the British news, and if I've read too much into your posts, then I apologize (can't really tell whether you're inferring anything about US policy on the matter, or just the UK). Notice how this thread has absolutely nothing to do with VAT taxes anymore? 
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I am not saying there's not a problem mate...but in any thread of this type you tend to find the terms 'immigrant', 'asylum seeker', 'illegal immigrant' and 'foreigner' used as though they all mean the same thing, which tends to say a lot more about the poster's preconceptions than the situation.
Do we have an illegal immigration problem here? Yes, in the sense that it goes on. Is it a big problem? No-one knows, as we don't know how many illegal immigrants are here and at present no-one in Government seems willing to offer an educated guess.
Do we have an illegal immigration problem here? Yes, in the sense that it goes on. Is it a big problem? No-one knows, as we don't know how many illegal immigrants are here and at present no-one in Government seems willing to offer an educated guess.
Add to that the fact that thousands of illegal immigrants that have commited crimes and should've been deported are walking our streets stealing, raping and murdering. I'm not saying that illegal immigrants are the only people doing it, but some of them come from almost lawless countries, and let's face it, what example do we set to the rest? Rape, murder and steal and you'll be allowed to walk free? It's a f*cking joke!
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As an aside, do you think all the Americans working in the Middle East, Africa, Europe etc should also speak the language?dr.strangelove said:Believe it or not, the US actually has an immigration program that allows a fair few people into this country. We just have this weird little hang up about having the people, you know, speak our language, know how our government works, and not have a history of criminal activity. Outrageous stuff like that. ?
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dunno about everyone else - but i hate black people.
only joking. i just dislike them.
How did this turn into a disussion about immigration?
disclaimer: i have nothing against any creed or colour. im merely amusing myself.
only joking. i just dislike them.
How did this turn into a disussion about immigration?
disclaimer: i have nothing against any creed or colour. im merely amusing myself.
If they weren't "allowed" to, then shouldn't they be on the next plane to the country that allegedly "persecuted" them in the first place???
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I mean they weren't allowed to be here as they came in illegally..as for what should be done with illegal immigrants who commit crimes here, specifically which country's justice system shiould take responsibility for them, that is a tricky one and I am not sure of the answer.EyeFellOva said:
Anyway, Mario's right, so I'll shut up now.
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