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[Munkeh]

The Germans were smart people, yet they thought that they could bring the British to their knees by bombing it.
"Bomber" Harris, the commander of British Bomber Command was a smart man, yet he thought that bombing of German cities would bring them to their knees.
Carl Spaatz, the commander of both the 8th and 15th strategic US Army Air Forces was a smart man, but he thought that bombing German cities would bring the Germans to their knees.

Eisenhower was a smart man, but he thought the bombing of Japanese cities would bring the Japanese to their knees.....

 

[Magued]

There are alot more people dying everyday in places far more volitile than the Middle East yet you choose to enlighten people about this particular conflict. Just wondering why this is? Why is this conflict so much more important than the conflict in Somalia or Congo that you feel the need to voice you opinions?

Please don't take this as a personal attack just as a question as to why and about what people should be informed of?

Ahh. So beacuse people are dying elsewhere we shouldnt look?
Why dont you sheed information about the other places and INFORM people about it, instead of taking the stand that we shouldnt bother beacuse its happening elsewhere.

Its like calling the police beacuse someone is beating you up and they answer, well other people are being beat up so why do you call us about this and not about all the other crimes?

If I had information about Somalia and Congo that I feelt people didnt have I would be glad to share, maybe you can?

Magued

 

[Buddha 3]

There are alot more people dying everyday in places far more volitile than the Middle East yet you choose to enlighten people about this particular conflict. Just wondering why this is? Why is this conflict so much more important than the conflict in Somalia or Congo that you feel the need to voice you opinions?

Please don't take this as a personal attack just as a question as to why and about what people should be informed of?

This is a touchy subject.
Yes, people are dying by the thousands in Africa. What, very, very sadly, makes this less of our concern, is the fact that whatever happens in Africa, stays in Africa. What happens in the middle east is, through economic, ideological, religious and other reasons, tied in to the rest of the world.

Personally, I think it is a crying shame that the world (in the form of the UN) that Canadian general Dallaire, commander of the UN forces in Rwanda at the time of the genocide, was not given a stronger mandate and more forces. It would have been easy to stop the slaughter. Yet the world did not care. Unfortunately, I feel the world has given up on Africa.
But the reason so much attention is given to what happens in the ME, is simple: Whatever happens there has ramifications for the rest of the world. This can be through economic effects, because of alliances, or whatever. But if WW3 is to start, chances are it will start somewhere between the eastern shores of the Mediterranean and the western foothills of the Himalayas.
In stark contrast, I don't think that any Western businessman has lost a penny over what has happened in Rwanda and what is now happening in Darfur. We're probably making money off of it.

 

[Munkeh]

I can only speak for myself, but my opinion on most things in recent (living) history is based on reading things from both sides, speaking to people from both sides, and then deciding how the pieces of the jigsaw fit together.

Depending on how right you feel them to be then?

You said: "The only way to form your own opinion is to be there on the ground at the time of the incident and be directly involved, everything else is purely hearsay."
That is the basic mistake that many people make. The opinion of those directly involved is probably the most tainted opinion there is.

I didn't say that your own opinion would be un-biased, but it would still be your own. Opinion after that would be a ******* child of the participents's opinion who were there, no?

 

[Munkeh]

Ahh. So beacuse people are dying elsewhere we shouldnt look?
Why dont you sheed information about the other places and INFORM people about it, instead of taking the stand that we shouldnt bother beacuse its happening elsewhere.

I knew i shouldn't have written on this thread, will take me days to reply...

The information I have available to me is the same as the information other people have available, whether they choose to accept it or not is upto them. In this day and age ignorance is not an acceptable excuse!

 

[Buddha 3]

Eisenhower was a smart man, but he thought the bombing of Japanese cities would bring the Japanese to their knees.....

Eisenhower had f*ck all to do with the bombing of Japan. Eisenhower was the Commander of SHAEF, which was the Shared Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Forces in Europe.

Mc Arthur was the commander in PTO (Pacific Theater of Operations), and president Harry S. Truman gave the go ahead for using the atomic bombs on Japan. The bombings of Japanese cities had little to no effect on Japanese fighting spirits. In fact, the Japanese became even more ready to die in battle.

Thr dropping of two atomic bombs changed that, is this tipped the scales in such a drastic way, it would be clear that there was no defense against this. Had Japan had access to atomic weapons at that time, they would have fought on. Without access to these weapons, continuing the fight would be similar to engaging in a boxing match while you have no arms.

 

[Buddha 3]

Depending on how right you feel them to be then?

I didn't say that your own opinion would be un-biased, but it would still be your own. Opinion after that would be a ******* child of the participents's opinion who were there, no?

My opinion is my own? Duh...
But I'd like to think that when there has been punch up and the police come in, they'd listen to both sides, rather than listen to one guy's version of events and arrest the other guy, without hearing his version.

As for the first part of your quote, only facts that can be proven are interesting to me, otherwise they are not facts and do not get taken into my opinion. So nothing to do with how right I feel things to be, but more with how much can be proven. You'd be surprised by the amount of lies you are taught in school.

 

[Munkeh]

Eisenhower had f*ck all to do with the bombing of Japan. Eisenhower was the Commander of SHAEF, which was the Shared Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Forces in Europe.

Mc Arthur was the commander in PTO (Pacific Theater of Operations), and president Harry S. Truman gave the go ahead for using the atomic bombs on Japan. The bombings of Japanese cities had little to no effect on Japanese fighting spirits. In fact, the Japanese became even more ready to die in battle.

Apologies, I always thought Eisenhower was Supreme Commander of the allied forces. It was meant as a tongue in cheek reply though...

 

[Buddha 3]

In this day and age ignorance is not an acceptable excuse!

This is very true. And probably the reason Mag posted in the first place.

 

[Buddha 3]

Apologies, I always thought Eisenhower was Supreme Commander of the allied forces. It was meant as a tongue in cheek reply though...

He was, but only in Europe. Like McArthur was in the Pacific. They both had a boss, named General Marshall.