captain arab
Dude, he's tha guy who hunted the great white techno god - don't you know literature?
Dude, he's tha guy who hunted the great white techno god - don't you know literature?
cheating fundamentalists (long)
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You're always going to have to have a compromise where (a) there isn't an accepted standard of equipment and (b) where you have a human ref judging a fast situation.
Fencing has enough headaches and that's just with one president (although he is aided largely by electronic equipment in epee) sorting out what happened in a given "phrase" of fencing and who deserved a hit. Anyone seen a top level sabre match with two competitive Europeans repeatedly charging at eachother to get the inititaive will see a comparison with a mugging, I'm sure. That said, I'm always the first to point out in the deliberation if I thought it was me that lost the hit. Most of the @ssholes either yell at the ref for not making the "right" decision, shout and whoop as if they won it or keep quiet hoping the decision might go their way. Guess we can see a parallel there, too.
We'll never have a standard of equipment - people like customising their stuff too much and it would mean some manufacturers would fold. So we have the best compromise we can come to about velocities, no full auto etc. You can limit the grey area, but there'll always be one and people out there who will want to exploit it. What we're seeing with all the rules on DYE tops and the discussion about bouncy beanies is the rules committee looking at an area which although they can't standardise, at least are making attempts to stop exploitation. Face it, if there isn't a ruling that's enforced, then someone is going to turn up with a foam stetson or something that they can refill their hopper from halfway through from all the bouncers . . .
Same thing with the refs - we're all human and make duff calls from time to time, but that's part of the game and you would be extremely unlucky to get a bad call every time you went out (or given the calibre of some of the judging I've seen recently to get anything less than a fair deal). Where you exploit this area, this then becomes complicity on your part and therefore cheating in my books - I don't buy into this mentality of "It's up to the ref to spot it", but that may not be the way that many people see it or think how the game should be played.
Fencing has enough headaches and that's just with one president (although he is aided largely by electronic equipment in epee) sorting out what happened in a given "phrase" of fencing and who deserved a hit. Anyone seen a top level sabre match with two competitive Europeans repeatedly charging at eachother to get the inititaive will see a comparison with a mugging, I'm sure. That said, I'm always the first to point out in the deliberation if I thought it was me that lost the hit. Most of the @ssholes either yell at the ref for not making the "right" decision, shout and whoop as if they won it or keep quiet hoping the decision might go their way. Guess we can see a parallel there, too.
We'll never have a standard of equipment - people like customising their stuff too much and it would mean some manufacturers would fold. So we have the best compromise we can come to about velocities, no full auto etc. You can limit the grey area, but there'll always be one and people out there who will want to exploit it. What we're seeing with all the rules on DYE tops and the discussion about bouncy beanies is the rules committee looking at an area which although they can't standardise, at least are making attempts to stop exploitation. Face it, if there isn't a ruling that's enforced, then someone is going to turn up with a foam stetson or something that they can refill their hopper from halfway through from all the bouncers . . .
Same thing with the refs - we're all human and make duff calls from time to time, but that's part of the game and you would be extremely unlucky to get a bad call every time you went out (or given the calibre of some of the judging I've seen recently to get anything less than a fair deal). Where you exploit this area, this then becomes complicity on your part and therefore cheating in my books - I don't buy into this mentality of "It's up to the ref to spot it", but that may not be the way that many people see it or think how the game should be played.
captain arab
This coming from someone who thought the "Tyger Tyger burning bright" reference was Kipling?
Duff = Bad, Questionable or Pregnant (As in 'She's up the Duff!')
Nothing to do with the Editor of PGI (I think)
Nothing to do with the Editor of PGI (I think)
"duff call"
A decision made on the spur of the moment based on the best evidence witnessed or recollection of the rules, but on subsequent reflection or information from other parties was shown to be incorrect or incomplete - e.g. your angle of a player didn't let you see the hit on them, or you wiped a hit from someone you felt got the elimination forst in a mugging, but was actually 1-4-1d by another marshall an instant before.
Summat like that.
I can come up with loads for fencing . . .
A decision made on the spur of the moment based on the best evidence witnessed or recollection of the rules, but on subsequent reflection or information from other parties was shown to be incorrect or incomplete - e.g. your angle of a player didn't let you see the hit on them, or you wiped a hit from someone you felt got the elimination forst in a mugging, but was actually 1-4-1d by another marshall an instant before.
Summat like that.
I can come up with loads for fencing . . .
For the record, I've done it. I's not so bad, but you really need to wear kneepads so you don't rip up your body. (And the "Tippman Ladies" say I have sexy calves, but that's another story...)Originally posted by manike
Wow there. Where did I say wearing beanies was cheating? That's head protection and fine. Next you'll be saying anything other than skin tight licra (NO Tyger!) is cheating within my definition?
I thought of having fun by going to a radom "Big" tournament, and taking pictures of what people wear. You can not tell me that you need a thick wool cap in July in Chicago for "Warmth". Unless you like your brain to be fried...
A lot of people will push rules, as they do in all sports. The only way to stop it is to crack down on the rules. We need to make an 'offical' uniform with a sizing chart (Do you know that US Football routinely FINES players for wearing their uniform incorectly? $5,000 for not having your socks on properly!!!) There also needs to be a seperation of the tournament from the sponsors to the players. But, that's just me...
-Tyger
Seems sensible, I wear extra large playing tops for their appearance as I'm built like a back player, but I can't say the extra fabric has never slowed a ball enough to make it bounce, lots of players wear their tops oversized because they like the look, but it definately gives an advantage. Is the "well fitted clothing" rule ever enforced?
Jose, sweetteee, darhling,
you simply must remember that the grunge look was soooo last year. This year tailoring is a must with sharp playing-shirts with ribbed fitted backs and pleated slider trousers in a drainpipe cut.
Further more once you have played you could put on some pearls and your ready for formal wear (and this will stop bouncers too)......
you simply must remember that the grunge look was soooo last year. This year tailoring is a must with sharp playing-shirts with ribbed fitted backs and pleated slider trousers in a drainpipe cut.
Further more once you have played you could put on some pearls and your ready for formal wear (and this will stop bouncers too)......
Dude, you are soooooooo last year
Camo is tha new black, and Tigerstripe Gucci loafers are tha only thing tha well-dressed baller will be seen in this year.
You read it here first...
Camo is tha new black, and Tigerstripe Gucci loafers are tha only thing tha well-dressed baller will be seen in this year.
You read it here first...